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[Big Nake]

My attempt at something close to Paulaner Original Munich Lager is in the fermenter.  I mashed lower than usual (149°) and longer than usual (90 mins) with the hope of creating that nice dry finish.  10.8 pounds of Barke Pils and 1.2 pounds of Weyermann Munich 1, 20 IBUs of Hallertau at the start of the boil and a big, clean slug of 2124 on its 5th pitch.  I have high hopes.  

[Mya]

Got my brew done in a little under 5 hours from a completely cold start, no prep at all.

 

Surprisingly to me, no big issues, gravity came in a smidge high, but that was easily remedied.

[HVB]

The beer I did yesterday was the first 60 minute boil I have done in I guess 3+ years and my lord was it long!!  Now I see why I like the 30 minute boil.

[Big Nake]

The beer I did yesterday was the first 60 minute boil I have done in I guess 3+ years and my lord was it long!!  Now I see why I like the 30 minute boil.

Why did you do the 60?

[HVB]

Why did you do the 60?

I am not sure really!!  When I wrote the recipe I think I assumed I would be needed time to get stuff ready and what not since I had not brewed in a while .. Instead I sat there waiting!!

[zymot]

The beer I did yesterday was the first 60 minute boil I have done in I guess 3+ years and my lord was it long!!  Now I see why I like the 30 minute boil.

 

 

Why did you do the 60?

 

What!?!?! First it was "Everything You Ever Learned About Starters is Wrong."

 

Now it is ""60 Minute Boils Are For Losers and Dimwits."

[Mya]

I had the opposite experience with the 30 minute, I was trying to use the boil downtime to do cleanup chores, and the 10 minute remaining mark came wayyyyy to fast.

[Big Nake]

What!?!?! First it was "Everything You Ever Learned About Starters is Wrong."

 

Now it is ""60 Minute Boils Are For Losers and Dimwits."

I meant to say something about this.  If you get out of brewing for awhile, there may be some catching up to do because things change, equipment changes, hops change, etc.  The 30-minute boil is frowned-upon by some and championed by others.  For those who run into trouble with it, I suggest sticking to 60.  For those who use it, like it and notice that their beer is as good as ever, by all means do it.  At least try it.  You typically just have to bump your bittering addition to achieve the same number of IBUs in 30 as you would get in 60.

[Bklmt2000]

What!?!?! First it was "Everything You Ever Learned About Starters is Wrong."

 

Now it is ""60 Minute Boils Are For Losers and Dimwits."

 

I'm a dimwit and a half; I always boil for 90 minutes.

[zymot]

I'm a dimwit and a half; I always boil for 90 minutes.

 

I am sorry. I let my habit of Public House forum hyperbole spill over here into the civilized part of the Brews-Bros.

 

I will watch myself. It will never happen again. (I hope)

[Bklmt2000]

I am sorry. I let my habit of Public House forum hyperbole spill over here into the civilized part of the Brews-Bros.

 

I will watch myself. It will never happen again. (I hope)

 

No worries, it's cool.  Believe you me, being a dimwit is one of my superpowers.    

 

I know several of our fellow Beer Forum brethren have migrated to 30-min boils with great success.

 

I, however, am a notorious creature of habit, and not doing a 90-minute boil would seem odd to me.  Can't remember how long it's been (maybe a decade or more?) since I last did a 60-min boil.

[Mya]

I meant to say something about this.  If you get out of brewing for awhile, there may be some catching up to do because things change, equipment changes, hops change, etc.  The 30-minute boil is frowned-upon by some and championed by others.  For those who run into trouble with it, I suggest sticking to 60.  For those who use it, like it and notice that their beer is as good as ever, by all means do it.  At least try it.  You typically just have to bump your bittering addition to achieve the same number of IBUs in 30 as you would get in 60.

the pre boil volumes and gravity take a little getting used to as well

[Mya]

No worries, it's cool.  Believe you me, being a dimwit is one of my superpowers.  

 

I know several of our fellow Beer Forum brethren have migrated to 30-min boils with great success.

 

I, however, am a notorious creature of habit, and not doing a 90-minute boil would seem odd to me.  Can't remember how long it's been (maybe a decade or more?) since I last did a 60-min boil.

worried about DMS? or do you just like to waste time and money?

[Big Nake]

I've mentioned this but the woman that runs my LHBS always says "now remember to do a 90-minute boil with this pilsner malt!" and I used to say, "I always do a 60 and have never had issues!" but I don't have the heart to tell her I do 30s... it might break her brain.

 

Let me say this:  There is a lot of information out there about brewing.  There are many opinions on the same subject and you wonder about the people who post... do they know from experience, do they know because they read it somewhere else, etc?  I feel like it's the brewers responsibility to try things and see how they work.  I also feel like making too many changes at once is dangerous because it's hard to know what improved (or DIDN'T improve) your beer.  I also realize it's hard to experiment with everything out there because we all have only so much time to brew.  There are a lot of cowboys out there who like to think they're giving back to the brewing community by just regurgitating something they read on another site but haven't actually tried.

[Bklmt2000]

worried about DMS?

 

Nope.

 

or do you just like to waste time and money?

 

Also nope.

[HVB]

the pre boil volumes and gravity take a little getting used to as well

My spreadsheet takes care of all of that for me

[zymot]

Much of what I do comes down to who I confidence in and trust their knowledge and experience.

 

Somebody brews a beer that I enjoy, they use a 60 minute boil. OK, I will start with that. Is 60 minutes optimum? Is a 73.5784 minute boil a little better? Is 90 minute awesome? I do not know one way or the other.

 

Right now I am not in a position to test and verify. I stand on the shoulders of the brewing giants before me that tell me 60 minute boils and 60 minute hop additions were used to make the beer I like. For today, I will go with that. Maybe someday, I might get inspired to go with a 30 minute boil, What will inspire me to try? Hard to say. Certainly not out of the question.

[positiveContact]

Much of what I do comes down to who I confidence in and trust their knowledge and experience.

 

Somebody brews a beer that I enjoy, they use a 60 minute boil. OK, I will start with that. Is 60 minutes optimum? Is a 73.5784 minute boil a little better? Is 90 minute awesome? I do not know one way or the other.

 

Right now I am not in a position to test and verify. I stand on the shoulders of the brewing giants before me that tell me 60 minute boils and 60 minute hop additions were used to make the beer I like. For today, I will go with that. Maybe someday, I might get inspired to go with a 30 minute boil, What will inspire me to try? Hard to say. Certainly not out of the question.

 

really just depends what you are going for.

[Bklmt2000]

Much of what I do comes down to who I confidence in and trust their knowledge and experience.

 

Somebody brews a beer that I enjoy, they use a 60 minute boil. OK, I will start with that. Is 60 minutes optimum? Is a 73.5784 minute boil a little better? Is 90 minute awesome? I do not know one way or the other.

 

Right now I am not in a position to test and verify. I stand on the shoulders of the brewing giants before me that tell me 60 minute boils and 60 minute hop additions were used to make the beer I like. For today, I will go with that. Maybe someday, I might get inspired to go with a 30 minute boil, What will inspire me to try? Hard to say. Certainly not out of the question.

 

IMO, for the first time out, including after a long hiatus, sticking with what you know and/or what you are confident will work, is the way to go.  That applies to mash methods, boil times, wort chilling techniques, etc.

 

Experiment with shorter boil times, longer mash times, pre-brewday rituals, recipe design, etc., on future brewdays. 

[Mya]

My spreadsheet takes care of all of that for me

sure, the software takes are of it, but seeing the lesser volume in the kettle takes some getting used to mentally

why do you boil so long them blkmt?