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[armagh]

It is my intention some time this summer to brew a golden strong ale using U.S. malts/hops.  OG will be somewhere in the 1.070-80 range.  At present, I can't justify buying any more hops than are on hand.  The question is if this were your intention, which of the following hops would you use, in what amounts, and what duration, if the desired outcome was a balanced clean bitterness, appropriate to a big beer, but not to the degree of wretched excess.  The available hops/quantities are:

8 oz Pallisade/8.5%

8 oz Cascade/6.6%

2 oz Amarillo/8,2%

1 oz Simcoe/11.8%

1 oz Centennial/9.2%

 

BTW, I am not doing this as an askhole, I just brew mostly with an eye toward Franco-Belgians.

[Big Nake]

Personally, if it were me I would use Amarillo and Simcoe together.  It's dynamite.  I don't know if they're appropriate for a "golden strong ale" but their combination is outrageously good.  Bitter with the Centennial, you may have to work the Cascade in there somewhere too because you only have 2 ounces of Amarillo and 1 ounce of Simcoe... some Cascade (1 oz?) at 30 or something and then 1 oz Amarillo and ½ oz Simcoe at 10 and then the same combination at 5 or 2 or something.  What yeast?

[johnpreuss]

I've used pallisade before I have found they give a smooth bitterness, almost deceptive.  Now I could be way in the wrong direction but what if...

 

1 oz Pallisade 60

.5oz Simcoe Flameout

.5oz Cent Flameout

Dryhop

.5oz Simcoe

.5oz Cent

.5oz Amarillo

 

Not sure but I'd drink it.  Pick a fun Belgian yeast.

[armagh]

What yeast?

Thinking 1056/001 or something that ferments clean and lets the malt/hops speak the language.

[denny]

Thinking 1056/001 or something that ferments clean and lets the malt/hops speak the language.

 

 

Ah, I thought you were going Belgian until I saw that!

[armagh]

 

 

Ah, I thought you were going Belgian until I saw that!

Nope.  Truly looking for an American style strong golden ale, not the esters/phenols of Belgian yeasts.

ETA: Yes, I know the category does not exist in the BJCP guidelines.

Edited by armagh, 10 June 2013 - 03:59 PM.

[denny]

ETA: Yes, I know the category does not exist in the BJCP guidelines.

 

Who cares as long as you're not entering a comp.

[johnpreuss]

Revised Edition:

 

1 oz each Cent and Pallisade 60 min

1 oz  each Pallisade and Cascade 15min

1 oz each Pallisade and Cascade 5 min

Flameout .5 oz each Amarillo and Simcoe

Dryhop 1 oz each Cascade and Amarillo and .5 oz Simcoe

 

@ 1.080 and 92 IBU that puts you on the low side of a Barleywine.  But I'd think it'd be tasty!

[armagh]

 

Who cares as long as you're not entering a comp.

Fairly stated. I don't do comps as a rule, but I am aware that a percentage of home brewers tend to relate to BJCP categories, which can color suggestions.

[Mya]

I remember our thread last year about this, still like the concept

 

I think I would be leaning towards Centennial and Amarillo blended to about 50 IBUS all FWHed

 

and I'd consider 1450 as the yeast 

[SchwanzBrewer]

Cascade and Cents for bittering amarillo and simcoe for flavor.

[SchwanzBrewer]

Wouldn't an american golden strong ale basically be a west coast IIPA?

[Mya]

Wouldn't an american golden strong ale basically be a west coast IIPA?

IIRC last time we discussed this, it was intended to be similar in bitterness to a BGSA or a Dopplebock not like an IIPA

[Genesee Ted]

To me this sounds like you are shooting for something like Mendocino Eye of the Hawk.  I guess a target IBU could help here too.   

[Mindblock]

Looking at the hops you have available I immediately thought of the tried and true House of the Rising Sun JPA recipe.....you COULD consider bittering with the Palisades and using a mixture of Amarillo, Centennial, Cascade, and Simcoe to hop burst.

[Poptop]

I think you have a great group of hops listed in just about any combo.  FWIW, I'm a big fan of Cascade on the middle and back end and also DH.  To me it's the signature aroma hop of American ales; my humble .02.