236 replies to this topic

[denny]

If pellets are a bad wY to dry hop, theRogue and a lot of other breweries are doing it wrong. I dunno about all this dogma...use pellets, don't use pellets....don't dry hop fr long, long dry hop times are OK. I have to say that I generally dry hop for months in the leg and don't notice anything wrong with it. I use pellets or whole hops, whichever are freshest. I say, don't make rules....try a technique and see what happens. Pay attention to your materials and procedures. Make no assumptions.

[MtnBrewer]

If pellets are a bad wY to dry hop, theRogue and a lot of other breweries are doing it wrong. I dunno about all this dogma...use pellets, don't use pellets....don't dry hop fr long, long dry hop times are OK. I have to say that I generally dry hop for months in the leg and don't notice anything wrong with it. I use pellets or whole hops, whichever are freshest. I say, don't make rules....try a technique and see what happens. Pay attention to your materials and procedures. Make no assumptions.

[positiveContact]

 

If pellets are a bad wY to dry hop, theRogue and a lot of other breweries are doing it wrong. I dunno about all this dogma...use pellets, don't use pellets....don't dry hop fr long, long dry hop times are OK. I have to say that I generally dry hop for months in the leg and don't notice anything wrong with it. I use pellets or whole hops, whichever are freshest. I say, don't make rules....try a technique and see what happens. Pay attention to your materials and procedures. Make no assumptions.

 

 

this cracks me up for some reason.

[neddles]

...don't make rules...

Wise advice and should be applied well beyond the homebrewing world.

[Gus13]

Lots of major breweries use pellets and even hop extract!  Shhhhh

 

Got it bottled and it smelled a-freaking-mazing.  I'm ready for this bad boy to carb up and let me sample some!  Should be around 4.5-4-8%  I didn't take an exact reading as I'm not too worried about it.

[Gus13]

Good news.  The APA is amazing!  Such a good aroma and light body flavor!  I really really like this one a lot  I will brew more next time.  Now to try a Black IPA.

[MtnBrewer]

Now to try a Black IPA.

The Shed - Darkside. Can't recommend it enough.

[HVB]

The Shed - Darkside. Can't recommend it enough.

From Mitch's book?

[MtnBrewer]

Yes, from Mitch's book.

[Genesee Ted]

Good news.  The APA is amazing!  Such a good aroma and light body flavor!  I really really like this one a lot  I will brew more next time.  Now to try a Black IPA.

Body and flavor are different, but I am glad the beer turned out well!

 

 

 

Also, reading this thread has me really like this     All this n=1 stuff is driving me up a wall.  Let's try to pay attention to the research being done instead of throwing out all these theories which have almost no backing.  Not to say that people's experience isn't worth a damn, it is just that there are so many variables and we as homebrewers are not exactly setting up double blind type laboratory studies.  Now of course the "but but but...." crowd will say that if we aren't brewing that way then it doesn't matter.  Alright, cool.  Have it your way.  I just think that if we are trying to brew the best beer we can, we should at least pay attention to those who are studying it on an academic level as opposed to assuming that the one or two times you tried something proves your baseless theory.  

 

I hope that doesn't come across as insulting, as I don't mean it to be.  

[neddles]

Body and flavor are different, but I am glad the beer turned out well!

 

 

 

Also, reading this thread has me really like this     All this n=1 stuff is driving me up a wall.  Let's try to pay attention to the research being done instead of throwing out all these theories which have almost no backing.  Not to say that people's experience isn't worth a damn, it is just that there are so many variables and we as homebrewers are not exactly setting up double blind type laboratory studies.  Now of course the "but but but...." crowd will say that if we aren't brewing that way then it doesn't matter.  Alright, cool.  Have it your way.  I just think that if we are trying to brew the best beer we can, we should at least pay attention to those who are studying it on an academic level as opposed to assuming that the one or two times you tried something proves your baseless theory.  

 

I hope that doesn't come across as insulting, as I don't mean it to be.  

I agree. So clarify for us which theories, proposed in this thread, were thrown out there with no backing.

[Genesee Ted]

Whiskey fueled ranting 

[denny]

Body and flavor are different, but I am glad the beer turned out well!

 

 

 

Also, reading this thread has me really like this     All this n=1 stuff is driving me up a wall.  Let's try to pay attention to the research being done instead of throwing out all these theories which have almost no backing.  Not to say that people's experience isn't worth a damn, it is just that there are so many variables and we as homebrewers are not exactly setting up double blind type laboratory studies.  Now of course the "but but but...." crowd will say that if we aren't brewing that way then it doesn't matter.  Alright, cool.  Have it your way.  I just think that if we are trying to brew the best beer we can, we should at least pay attention to those who are studying it on an academic level as opposed to assuming that the one or two times you tried something proves your baseless theory.  

 

I hope that doesn't come across as insulting, as I don't mean it to be.  

 

Which is why a large portion of the book I'm working on is about blind triangle tasting and evaluation.

[Brauer]

Whiskey fueled ranting

I'd also be curious which theories set off the rant.

[Genesee Ted]

A lot of the pellet vs whole hops I think.  I really think that any of us would have a hard time telling identical beers other than type of hop processing.  Perhaps other things too, its a long thread.

[Brauer]

A lot of the pellet vs whole hops I think.  I really think that any of us would have a hard time telling identical beers other than type of hop processing. 

I can agree with that, but then the beers that I make don't usually call for much dry hopping, so I can't speak to that.  Mostly, I like some whole hops as a filter bed.

[Gus13]

Body and flavor are different, but I am glad the beer turned out well!

 

 

 

Also, reading this thread has me really like this     All this n=1 stuff is driving me up a wall.  Let's try to pay attention to the research being done instead of throwing out all these theories which have almost no backing.  Not to say that people's experience isn't worth a damn, it is just that there are so many variables and we as homebrewers are not exactly setting up double blind type laboratory studies.  Now of course the "but but but...." crowd will say that if we aren't brewing that way then it doesn't matter.  Alright, cool.  Have it your way.  I just think that if we are trying to brew the best beer we can, we should at least pay attention to those who are studying it on an academic level as opposed to assuming that the one or two times you tried something proves your baseless theory.  

 

I hope that doesn't come across as insulting, as I don't mean it to be.  

 

 

What I meant by light body flavor is that it has a light body with lots of flavor.  Didn't mean to relate the two as in the same thing.

[Mindblock]

Which is why a large portion of the book I'm working on is about blind triangle tasting and evaluation.

That is fascinating, and quite possibly the only way to get to a scientific answer to a highly subjective question.....IMHO, only if tasters can reliably tell which sample is "different" can they begin to posit on which is "better" and why.....

 

Are you using a triangle test followed by two paired blind tests?  Triangle test to determine if a difference between two samples is generally perceptible, and then paired blind testing to determine if taste "preferences" are consistent??

 

Sorry to derail.....but this is fascinating to me, and thinking this way is part of the reason that I take competitions with a grain of salt.

[denny]

That is fascinating, and quite possibly the only way to get to a scientific answer to a highly subjective question.....IMHO, only if tasters can reliably tell which sample is "different" can they begin to posit on which is "better" and why.....

 

Are you using a triangle test followed by two paired blind tests?  Triangle test to determine if a difference between two samples is generally perceptible, and then paired blind testing to determine if taste "preferences" are consistent??

 

Sorry to derail.....but this is fascinating to me, and thinking this way is part of the reason that I take competitions with a grain of salt.

 

No, I haven't done that, but I mat have to try it.

[MolBasser]

Body and flavor are different, but I am glad the beer turned out well!

 

 

 

Also, reading this thread has me really like this     All this n=1 stuff is driving me up a wall.  Let's try to pay attention to the research being done instead of throwing out all these theories which have almost no backing.  Not to say that people's experience isn't worth a damn, it is just that there are so many variables and we as homebrewers are not exactly setting up double blind type laboratory studies.  Now of course the "but but but...." crowd will say that if we aren't brewing that way then it doesn't matter.  Alright, cool.  Have it your way.  I just think that if we are trying to brew the best beer we can, we should at least pay attention to those who are studying it on an academic level as opposed to assuming that the one or two times you tried something proves your baseless theory.  

 

I hope that doesn't come across as insulting, as I don't mean it to be.  

 

Preach it brother!

 

MolBasser