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[beach]

Ok,so I brewed Denny Conn’s Rye IPA:BeerSmith Recipe Printout - https://www.beersmith.comRecipe: DC's Rye IPABrewer: Beach MeisterAsst Brewer: AngusStyle: American IPAType: All GrainRecipe Specifications--------------------------Batch Size (fermenter): 11.00 gal Boil Size: 13.87 galBottling Volume: 10.00 galEstimated OG: 1.074 SGEstimated Color: 11.1 SRMEstimated IBU: 77.2 IBUsBrewhouse Efficiency: 80.00 %Boil Time: 75 MinutesIngredients:------------Amt Name 19 lbs 13.8 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) 65.5 % 5 lbs 6.7 oz Rye Malt (4.7 SRM) 17.9 % 2 lbs 4.1 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L 7.4 % 14.4 oz Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM) 3.0 % 14.4 oz Wheat, Flaked (1.6 SRM) 3.0 %1 lbs Rice Hulls (0.0 SRM) 3.3 % 1.92 oz Mt. Hood [5.10 %] - First Wort 60.0 min2.40 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.00 %] - Boil 60. 0.96 oz Mt. Hood [6.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min 3.30 oz Mt. Hood [5.10 %] - Boil 0.0 min 2.20 oz Columbus (Tomahawk) [16.50 %] - Dry Hop 1.00 Items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 5.0 mins)2.0 pkg Safale American #US-05 Rehydrated0.50 tsp Yeast Nutrient (Primary 3.0 days) Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash OutTotal Grain Weight: 30 lbs 5.5 oz----------------------------Name Description Step Temp Step Time Mash In Add 9.00 gal of water at 167 153.0 F 60 min Brewed 10.03, hit all the numbers, forgot 1 thing, Whirlfloc (I know, of all batches the one w/18% rye malt). Very cloudy going into primary. Fermentation took off and went well. Hit FG of 1.020 on 10.08. It didn’t dry out as much as I had hoped and as far as BS2 predicted- Est FG 1.016. D/H on 10.18, racked to bright tanks (I ferment in 1 vessel, but because of space constraints I use 2 bright tanks), still extremely cloudy, 10.23. Beer was crashed down to ~40 for 7 days to give chilled haze plenty of time to form. Hit it with 1 tsp of gelatin (2x my normal dose) 10.30, gave it 2 days (plenty of time), still cloudy, hit it again w/1 tsp gel on 11.01.11.05- my pipeline was getting backed up (2 batches in primary w/1 batch ready to move to brights) so I checked again, dammit, still pea soup. Ok, racked to kegs on top of yet more gelatin. Put it on carbing/serving pressure (11 lbs) to carb as well.Fast forward to yesterday, 11.24, beer has been cold for a month, finned 3 times with gelatin and on CO2 for 19 days, undisturbed. Beer smells great, tastes wonderful but is like mud and flat. By flat I mean still. WTF?? At this point I’m ready to buy a filter and give that a shot. My backwards ass is thinking that with all the haze and cloudiness the gas is just using all the shit as nucleation sites and just de-gassing as fast as it goes in.Any help would be appreciated, as I would like to enjoy this beer. Beach

Edited by beach, 25 November 2011 - 09:03 AM.

[BarelyBrews]

I have trouble getting this beer real clear also. 1.020 fg sounds about right to me..i usually finish DC rye at 1.016-1.018 .My thought is water profile. Good luck.

[beach]

Good point Keg, forgot to include the water numbers. Here you go:Finshed Mash Water Profile from Bru'n Water v1_10us89.2 ppm Calcium14.5 ppm Magnesium18.5 ppm Sodium87.6 ppm Sulfate36.0 ppm Chloride98.9 ppm BicarbonateActual Mash pH 5.3Final runnings SG 1.06Beach

[Deerslyr]

I typically use Irish Moss. Is there a diff between Whirfloc and Irish Moss?

[SchwanzBrewer]

I've never had mine around long enough to find out how clear it was.

[denny]

I typically use Irish Moss. Is there a diff between Whirfloc and Irish Moss?

Not really. IM has some other stuff in it to keep it in tablet form, but nothing that really affects performance.

[positiveContact]

i previously had it crystal clear - I gelled it though.

[denny]

It always drops bright for me given time and cold temps. May take a month at 40F, but it does.

[MyaCullen]

2 packs of US-05 IMHO is gonna take some time to settle out

[positiveContact]

It always drops bright for me given time and cold temps. May take a month at 40F, but it does.

probably true - I didn't gel mine this time around so we'll see if it gets as clear...

[Deerslyr]

2 packs of US-05 IMHO is gonna take some time to settle out

:spank:I got a "talking to" from Denny for using US-05 when I made it last! Obviously not his preferred yeast... nor is it second on his list to use. But it worked!

[beach]

:spank:I got a "talking to" from Denny for using US-05 when I made it last! Obviously not his preferred yeast... nor is it second on his list to use. But it worked!

You use what you have available at the time. No offense intended Denny.Beach

[beach]

It always drops bright for me given time and cold temps. May take a month at 40F, but it does.

It's been at ~40* for a month and no signs of clearing. :mad:Beach

[denny]

:spank:I got a "talking to" from Denny for using US-05 when I made it last! Obviously not his preferred yeast... nor is it second on his list to use. But it worked!

I've used it in that beer enough times to know it's OK, but there are better choices. My order of preference would be 1450, 1056, 1272, and 05.

[Humperdink]

Yep, us 05 never really clears for me unless it gets a good healthy dose of gelatin. Even extended cold aging without gel never clears. I have no idea why after three gelatins it's still cloudy... Have you used any other clarifiers? Run it through a cartridge filter? Just tossing out ideas here. I'm pretty sure that different clarifiers have different charges and clarify different hazes more effectively than others

[MyaCullen]

protein haze from the rye?

[MolBasser]

Contamination with bacteria?*ducks*MolBasser

[positiveContact]

protein haze from the rye?

and wheat!

[positiveContact]

Contamination with bacteria?*ducks*MolBasser

[beach]

Contamination with bacteria?*ducks*MolBasser

If it's a bacterial contamination it really tastes great. Actually, I took 1 cornie over to a club member's place yesterday for a run through his plate filter. 1 pass through a course filter and a 2nd pass through a medium filter (his recommendation) and it looks much better. Shook the hell out of it right afterwards and quick carbed it. Definately had some carbonic bite but it's great beer now. I picked up all the parts needed for a cartridge filtration set up so I'm going to put that together and run the 2nd cornie through it.Beach