it's important to not confuse their attitude and their methods. If some or all of the methods turned out to be good I wouldn't cut off my own nose to spite my face. I take useful information when it's given to me.
but the attitude:
1) secretive
2) elitist
3) unwilling to debate anything
no thanks. I'll continue to operate in the light of day, debate new and old methods, and assist anyone who is looking for guidance.
This. Ken, I don't post there because I don't feel like getting into a fight over stupid shit. Like I said, I enjoy the beer porn and don't even read the posts.