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Posted 09 October 2015 - 11:13 AM

So,  If I have this right this is the process.

 

For 5g of ale

 

Make a 1l starter about 1.035 using a vessel that is about 4l

After cooled add yeast

Cap vessel and shake vigorously for about 1 minute to turn volume into foam

Wait till at high krausen and pitch

 

Did I miss anything?



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 11:41 AM

All of this in spades. Considering that my beautiful wife bought me a Maelstrom for my birthday I wouldn't change a thing about my starter process. In addition, I make huge amounts of yeast now and my batches also launch in less time that before.

 

Of course, you'll never know for sure until you try it.  I completely understand that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" thinking.  But my desire to know overrides that often.


So,  If I have this right this is the process.

 

For 5g of ale

 

Make a 1l starter about 1.035 using a vessel that is about 4l

After cooled add yeast

Cap vessel and shake vigorously for about 1 minute to turn volume into foam

Wait till at high krausen and pitch

 

Did I miss anything?

 

Technically, you want to shake, then add your yeast.  But I did it your way and had no problems.


Edited by denny, 09 October 2015 - 11:42 AM.


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Posted 09 October 2015 - 11:58 AM

Of course, you'll never know for sure until you try it.  I completely understand that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" thinking.  But my desire to know overrides that often.


 

Technically, you want to shake, then add your yeast.  But I did it your way and had no problems.

Okay, so foam it all up then add yeast.  I think I can do that :D



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:02 PM

Of course, you'll never know for sure until you try it.  I completely understand that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" thinking.  But my desire to know overrides that often.


 

Technically, you want to shake, then add your yeast.  But I did it your way and had no problems.

 

I'm not sure that's what Mark is advocating.  I don't know which way is better though.  I thought the point was that the yeast should be in the foam.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:08 PM

I'm not sure that's what Mark is advocating.  I don't know which way is better though.  I thought the point was that the yeast should be in the foam.

If only the AHA forum did not crash my PC I could look this up.  I do not feel like doing it on my phone.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:10 PM

If only the AHA forum did not crash my PC I could look this up.  I do not feel like doing it on my phone.

 

he actually says either is fine if you are worried about shear stress from shaking.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:11 PM

he actually says either is fine if you are worried about shear stress from shaking.

Thanks.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:12 PM

Thanks.

 

I had the shake the hell out of my white labs vial to get the yeast unstuck though.  so much so that it foamed when I cracked it open.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:13 PM

I had the shake the hell out of my white labs vial to get the yeast unstuck though.  so much so that it foamed when I cracked it open.

I have experienced this many times.  Lucky for me I am using Omega yeast and it is in a pouch like Wyeast.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:14 PM

I have experienced this many times.  Lucky for me I am using Omega yeast and it is in a pouch like Wyeast.

 

with this method of making the starter the day before brewing wyeast is more attractive to me.  I'd like to know everything is well and smack that pack a little earlier in the day.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:17 PM

with this method of making the starter the day before brewing wyeast is more attractive to me.  I'd like to know everything is well and smack that pack a little earlier in the day.

I agree with that.  It takes one more worry out of the process.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:22 PM

this whole ordeal just makes me like US-05 even more :lol:



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:24 PM

this whole ordeal just makes me like US-05 even more :lol:

:D

 

I just bought some Windsor dry yeast after reading it was similar to 1318.  Plan to give that a try in the Chinook/cira beer soon.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 12:28 PM

:D

 

I just bought some Windsor dry yeast after reading it was similar to 1318.  Plan to give that a try in the Chinook/cira beer soon.

 

excellent - can't wait to hear the results!



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 01:06 PM

I'm not sure that's what Mark is advocating.  I don't know which way is better though.  I thought the point was that the yeast should be in the foam.

 

Man, it's hard to tell sometimes!\ the way that thread has wandered!  Mark has talked to Drew and me about doing a blog on our website to archive and clarify things.  Hope he does!


:D

 

I just bought some Windsor dry yeast after reading it was similar to 1318.  Plan to give that a try in the Chinook/cira beer soon.

 

I think you got some bad info....I haven't used Windsor in 15 years, but when I did it sucked.



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 01:50 PM


I think you got some bad info....I haven't used Windsor in 15 years, but when I did it sucked.


I very well could have but as with thisthis starter method only one way to know for sure,I just have to try it.

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 02:00 PM

I very well could have but as with thisthis starter method only one way to know for sure,I just have to try it.

 

oh snap!



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 02:05 PM

I very well could have but as with thisthis starter method only one way to know for sure,I just have to try it.

 

indeed...looking forward to your report!



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Posted 09 October 2015 - 02:52 PM

oh snap!


If it came across snarky I didn't mean it to.

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Posted 09 October 2015 - 03:02 PM

this whole ordeal just makes me like US-05 even more :lol:


NOOOOOOOOO!


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