Is popular consensus still that a FWH is like a 20 minute addition? Asking for a friend
First wort hop question
#1
Posted 25 March 2020 - 09:39 AM
#2
Posted 25 March 2020 - 09:40 AM
Is popular consensus still that a FWH is like a 20 minute addition? Asking for a friend
I might suspect slightly less but not sure on the consensus.
#3
Posted 25 March 2020 - 09:44 AM
I know this very open to opinion but I recall 20. This WFH stuff is going to allow a Friday batch and I want to get my old school hop IPA groove on.
#4
Posted 25 March 2020 - 10:04 AM
oh yeah - I forgot to mention I do just use 20 b/c I probably can't tell the difference anyway. is the FWH so you don't have to boil as long?
#5
Posted 25 March 2020 - 10:08 AM
No, but have been doing 40 minute boils for some time now. I just remember hearing that it might provide a smoothness to the bitter in the final product. I'm just noodling this as our old and very missed friend Ken would say.
#6
Posted 25 March 2020 - 10:29 AM
#7
Posted 25 March 2020 - 11:37 AM
Is popular consensus still that a FWH is like a 20 minute addition? Asking for a friend
For me it is. I FWH 90% of the beers I make.
#8
Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:02 PM
For me it is. I FWH 90% of the beers I make.
I believe that BeerSmith calculates more IBU for a FWH than for a 60 minute boil. Might be for a 30 minute boil, would have to check.
#9
Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:06 PM
For me it is. I FWH 90% of the beers I make.
Do you FWH for the entire bittering addition then? Leaving nothing but finishing hops?
#10
Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:19 PM
No, but have been doing 40 minute boils for some time now. I just remember hearing that it might provide a smoothness to the bitter in the final product. I'm just noodling this as our old and very missed friend Ken would say.
did I miss something?
#11
Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:28 PM
did I miss something?
He's taking a self imposed break
#12
Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:38 PM
I believe that BeerSmith calculates more IBU for a FWH than for a 60 minute boil. Might be for a 30 minute boil, would have to check.
Re: BeerSmith.........By using the FWH button and leaving the boil time at my usual 40 minutes, FWH is 10% higher than using the boil button.
#13
Posted 25 March 2020 - 12:49 PM
He's taking a self imposed break
Do what you need to I guess........
I think the last time FWH came up IBUs measure higher than 20 minute additions. That may be but I still treat them as a 20 min addition. Seems that way to me in the glass
#14
Posted 25 March 2020 - 02:18 PM
I believe that BeerSmith calculates more IBU for a FWH than for a 60 minute boil. Might be for a 30 minute boil, would have to check.
When I did my FWH experiment 15-20 years ago, the IBU analysis showed approximately 10% more IBU for FWH than 60 min. But tasters didn't think it tasted like that. Since I drink beer rather than look at the numbers, I count it as what it tastes like.
Do you FWH for the entire bittering addition then? Leaving nothing but finishing hops?
Nope. I still do a 60 min. addition for bittering.
#15
Posted 25 March 2020 - 02:32 PM
#16
Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:53 AM
When I did my FWH experiment 15-20 years ago, the IBU analysis showed approximately 10% more IBU for FWH than 60 min. But tasters didn't think it tasted like that. Since I drink beer rather than look at the numbers, I count it as what it tastes like.
Nope. I still do a 60 min. addition for bittering.
I Think It was the Grand Rapids NHBC (we knew how to name things back then) There was a presentation on this.
Some guy did it three ways (back down you perverts) and had it analyzed by Founders I think.
FWH 110%
60 min boil 100% (nomilized value)
Mash hopped (20%)
FWH was smoother less bitter, betting the cohumilone precipitated out faster (who knows)
Mash hopped was low bitterness massive aroma
#17
Posted 26 March 2020 - 11:27 AM
What is your typical quantity for the FWH? I realize there are so many variables involved in answering. Say you’re shooting for a 50 IBU IPA, that would include a size-able whirlpool addition ~ 14# of grain, 1.065 OG? FWH ounces as well as 60 minutes?
1-2 oz. FWH. I go with the amount of FWH to give me the effects I want, then I look at the amount of bittering I get from that, then add 60 min. addition to get me in the range I want, minus contributions from late hops.
I Think It was the Grand Rapids NHBC (we knew how to name things back then) There was a presentation on this.
Some guy did it three ways (back down you perverts) and had it analyzed by Founders I think.
FWH 110%
60 min boil 100% (nomilized value)
Mash hopped (20%)
FWH was smoother less bitter, betting the cohumilone precipitated out faster (who knows)
Mash hopped was low bitterness massive aroma
My 2 attempts at mash hopping got me neither bitterness nor aroma
#18
Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:44 AM
... My 2 attempts at mash hopping got me neither bitterness nor aroma
Hops alpha & quantity for how big a batch?
I KNOW you have the records, now just to figure out which one of 600 it is.
#19
Posted 27 March 2020 - 01:15 PM
Hops alpha & quantity for how big a batch?
I KNOW you have the records, now just to figure out which one of 600 it is.
IIRC (without digging through 12 notebooks), I used 5 oz. of Columbus. They were whole. Pellets supposedly work better.
#20
Posted 27 March 2020 - 01:36 PM
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