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[Big Nake]

I don't know that I have ever tried to order short/gas-in dip tubes... do parts suppliers ordinarily carry them? Maybe I'll order 2 of the floaters and 2 short dip tubes and see how they work. Cheers Drez.

[HVB]

I don't know that I have ever tried to order short/gas-in dip tubes... do parts suppliers ordinarily carry them? Maybe I'll order 2 of the floaters and 2 short dip tubes and see how they work. Cheers Drez.

https://www.morebeer...-stainless.html

[Big Nake]

https://www.morebeer...-stainless.html

Awesome, thank you. Now to find out if my hand will work better than yours. I'm betting on NO.

In related news, on Wednesday I'm making a 940 starter and on Friday or Saturday I'm making a beer with a 6 gallon batch size so I can attempt to get 100% clear wort into the fermenter. Then hope is that the beer may clear better without the additional trub that I've been allowing into my primaries. If I can get decent clarity that way, my plan is to skip the floating dip tubes because I honestly don't want to mess with them. But if they end up being the only solution then I'm in. Cheers & thanks again.

[Mike Green]

https://www.ebay.com...w-/272422180691

Edited by Mike Green, 19 February 2018 - 08:40 AM.

[HVB]

https://www.ebay.com...w-/272422180691

Sure it is cheaper but it also comes from China and may not be here till April.  I would pay the extra couple bucks to have it this week but that is me.

[neddles]

Honestly I think these things are a game changer. Almost embarrassing that I've known about these for a few years and didn't consider them sooner. Here is a spunded Low-O2 Helles that is 25 days old with a clear beer system floating pick-up.

Edited by neddles, 19 February 2018 - 09:29 AM.

[Big Nake]

Nice neddles. Did you have to do anything unusual to get the tubing on the diptube like Drez did? Did you order new short diptubes, cut anything, etc? Also, do you have a feel for how much trub is getting into your primary? This was not the type of thing that made itself known until I started grabbing gravity samples from the port on the bottom of the primary. I would get a bunch of hop & break material in the sample. Before low-O2 all of that would settle as fermentation completed and then be left at the bottom of the primary without me ever really noticing it.

[HVB]

Nice neddles. Did you have to do anything unusual to get the tubing on the diptube like Drez did? Did you order new short diptubes, cut anything, etc? Also, do you have a feel for how much trub is getting into your primary? This was not the type of thing that made itself known until I started grabbing gravity samples from the port on the bottom of the primary. I would get a bunch of hop & break material in the sample. Before low-O2 all of that would settle as fermentation completed and then be left at the bottom of the primary without me ever really noticing it.

I think he is using this http://www.clearbeerdraughtsystem.com/ .  It is a bit more money than the option I went with.  It also looks like the hose is a bit wider to slip over the post easier.

[pkrone]

I warmed the end of the hose and if slides right on to a gas post.  I plan to do the same when I install it in the keg and then fill with sanatizer , through the floating tube thingy.

 

 

 

I had the same problem when getting my float tubing hooked up.    I couldn't reach the damn short dip tube in the keg to thread the tubing on and the tube wouldn't fit into the keg when threaded on the dip tube.    However, I was just about to get my drill out when I noticed the dip tube was the same diameter as the little ss tube attached to the float.  I was able to thread the tube inside the dip tube and get it smoothed out.  Worked great and no drilling needed.  

[Big Nake]

I had the same problem when getting my float tubing hooked up.    I couldn't reach the damn short dip tube in the keg to thread the tubing on and the tube wouldn't fit into the keg when threaded on the dip tube.    However, I was just about to get my drill out when I noticed the dip tube was the same diameter as the little ss tube attached to the float.  I was able to thread the tube inside the dip tube and get it smoothed out.  Worked great and no drilling needed.

WAT? You put the plastic tubing inside of the short diptube instead of outside? Or did I read that wrong?

[neddles]

Nice neddles. Did you have to do anything unusual to get the tubing on the diptube like Drez did? Did you order new short diptubes, cut anything, etc? Also, do you have a feel for how much trub is getting into your primary? This was not the type of thing that made itself known until I started grabbing gravity samples from the port on the bottom of the primary. I would get a bunch of hop & break material in the sample. Before low-O2 all of that would settle as fermentation completed and then be left at the bottom of the primary without me ever really noticing it.

 

I use the clear beer system as Drez noted. It comes with a gas-in dip tube and silicone tubing that is sized appropriately for it. It went on easy for me.

 

As far as trub in the primary I have changed nothing. I get about 4.5-5 gallons of crystal clear wort in the fermenter before it starts to siphon break material into the primary. I don't even use a sieve/strainer like you do (used to). In the picture above the beer was poured at 31ºF where it is lagering right now. The slight amount of haze there disappears as it is a minor chill haze. I expect it to go away when I bring the keg to serving temp.

[HVB]

I had the same problem when getting my float tubing hooked up.    I couldn't reach the damn short dip tube in the keg to thread the tubing on and the tube wouldn't fit into the keg when threaded on the dip tube.    However, I was just about to get my drill out when I noticed the dip tube was the same diameter as the little ss tube attached to the float.  I was able to thread the tube inside the dip tube and get it smoothed out.  Worked great and no drilling needed.  

I tired that and was not able to get it in to the dip tube. I will have to try it again on my second one.

[Big Nake]

I use the clear beer system as Drez noted. It comes with a gas-in dip tube and silicone tubing that is sized appropriately for it. It went on easy for me.
 
As far as trub in the primary I have changed nothing. I get about 4.5-5 gallons of crystal clear wort in the fermenter before it starts to siphon break material into the primary. I don't even use a sieve/strainer like you do (used to). In the picture above the beer was poured at 31ºF where it is lagering right now. The slight amount of haze there disappears as it is a minor chill haze. I expect it to go away when I bring the keg to serving temp.

Okay, good stuff. I might look at the clear-beer system if it means that installation will be easy.

On the trub aspect... I have no real idea if trub in the fermenter is a huge contributor to haze. Are there things in the trub that will react and cause haze? Will getting 5 gallons of very clear wort into the fermenter produce beers that clear quickly without finings and without using the floating pickup tubes? I don't know the answer but the idea of NO TRUB IN THE FERMENTER seems to be one of the low-O2 mantras and some of them may consider the floater to be a "Band-Aid" to fix a problem. You already know that I would use the floater in a heartbeat if I had no other way to produce clear beer. Thanks for the info gang.

[pkrone]

WAT? You put the plastic tubing inside of the short diptube instead of outside? Or did I read that wrong?

 

 

Nope,  you read it right.   I creased the end just a little to get it started inside the dip tube, and then it smoothed out.   I was pleasantly surprised. 

[Big Nake]

Nope,  you read it right.   I creased the end just a little to get it started inside the dip tube, and then it smoothed out.   I was pleasantly surprised.

Mmm, resourceful as homebrewers usually are. Thanks for the clarification.

[Big Nake]

So can I assume that for those who are sending the beer from primary to keg to spund that you would have the sanitized floating pickup tube installed right from the start? At that point the floater would be laying on the bottom of the keg and the transfer would be from the bottom and as the level rose up the floater would rise, etc. Can I assume that no one would try to install one of these AFTER the beer was already in the keg, right?

[HVB]

Can I assume that no one would try to install one of these AFTER the beer was already in the keg, right?

I would not do that.

[Big Nake]

Yeah, didn't think so. I have never seen the setup but I envisioned it and assumed it had to be in place first. So neddles' version is $37 each and the one on MoreBeer is $10 but may be trickier to install? I'll have to consider all of that.

[HVB]

Yeah, didn't think so. I have never seen the setup but I envisioned it and assumed it had to be in place first. So neddles' version is $37 each and the one on MoreBeer is $10 but may be trickier to install? I'll have to consider all of that.

I like the other one but 4 for 1 is a big deal for me.

[HVB]

I had the same problem when getting my float tubing hooked up.    I couldn't reach the damn short dip tube in the keg to thread the tubing on and the tube wouldn't fit into the keg when threaded on the dip tube.    However, I was just about to get my drill out when I noticed the dip tube was the same diameter as the little ss tube attached to the float.  I was able to thread the tube inside the dip tube and get it smoothed out.  Worked great and no drilling needed.  

Right you were.  It took some coaxing and I need to use some keg lube but I got them in there.

 

 

Edited by drez77, 26 February 2018 - 05:48 AM.