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[positiveContact]

I guess at this point I'm not trying to "prove" anything to anyone other than myself, and post the results for others who want to try it for themselves.  To me, what's special about the method is that I've made two batches of beer that were at least as good and more easily made than the same beers using my previous method. 

 

I think that is a fair enough approach when it comes to yourself.  if you are going to make claims of improved vitality I think there needs to be some real experiments to back that up.

 

for me - I like the ease of the method and I'm happy how beer #1 turned out.  there may be something I personally like about having the yeast go through more growth in terms of the flavors that produces.

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[positiveContact]

so is anyone even still thinking about this or was it a flash in the pan so to speak?

[HVB]

so is anyone even still thinking about this or was it a flash in the pan so to speak?

Still thinking about it but the issue for me is I like to overbuild my starters and save some. Hard to do that with this method.

[denny]

so is anyone even still thinking about this or was it a flash in the pan so to speak?

 

Yep, I intend to keep doing it until I find a case where it doesn't work.

[positiveContact]

Yep, I intend to keep doing it until I find a case where it doesn't work.

 

how many times have you done it now?  any out of the ordinary samples in there?

[denny]

how many times have you done it now?  any out of the ordinary samples in there?

 

Only twice so far...one ale and one lager.  I have a bunch of sample of Imperial yeast to try out and they generally don't need starters.  After I go through those, I'll go back to the "new" starter procedure.

[positiveContact]

Only twice so far...one ale and one lager.  I have a bunch of sample of Imperial yeast to try out and they generally don't need starters.  After I go through those, I'll go back to the "new" starter procedure.

 

I thought you brewed all the time with your zymatic??? 

[denny]

I thought you brewed all the time with your zymatic??? 

 

I wish!  I'm so busy these days that I actually brew less than I did when I was working!

[HVB]

I have done this on 3-4 ales recently.  I was reluctant but gave it a go.  All in all it has worked out well.  Fast starts and no issues with the beer.  I will be doing my first lager with it this week.  I worry about timing for high krausen but that seems to not matter that much.  I know last nights was not at high but it was bubbling away this morning. 

[positiveContact]

I've done an ale and a lager.  both turned out great.  my most recent ale used it as well but it's still fermenting so I won't know for a little while.

[denny]

I have done this on 3-4 ales recently.  I was reluctant but gave it a go.  All in all it has worked out well.  Fast starts and no issues with the beer.  I will be doing my first lager with it this week.  I worry about timing for high krausen but that seems to not matter that much.  I know last nights was not at high but it was bubbling away this morning. 

 

I haven't done it any other way since the first time I tried it.  It seems that as long as you're in the ballpark of high krausen it's close enough.

[HVB]

I haven't done it any other way since the first time I tried it.  It seems that as long as you're in the ballpark of high krausen it's close enough.

 

I still like a regular starter to overbuild to save some yeast but I can get over that and just re-use the slurry ( part of it that is).

[denny]

I still like a regular starter to overbuild to save some yeast but I can get over that and just re-use the slurry ( part of it that is).

 

Yeah, that's what I do.  I split the slurry into 2-3 containers and either use it directly or take part of it for a starter, depending on the age of the slurry.

[positiveContact]

Yeah, that's what I do.  I split the slurry into 2-3 containers and either use it directly or take part of it for a starter, depending on the age of the slurry.

 

when does the clock start for "slurry age"?

[denny]

when does the clock start for "slurry age"?

 

The day I harvest it. I tend to use it "as is" up to maybe 3 weeks- a month. After that, I usually use 2-3 Tbsp. of it to make a new starter.  Usually....sometimes the laziness gets so strong that I use it as is anyway.

[HVB]

The day I harvest it. I tend to use it "as is" up to maybe 3 weeks- a month. After that, I usually use 2-3 Tbsp. of it to make a new starter.  Usually....sometimes the laziness gets so strong that I use it as is anyway.

 

This will be a stupid questions but for the 2-3 Tbsps do you just use a regular old sanitized tablespoon and dump it into the starter?

[denny]

This will be a stupid questions but for the 2-3 Tbsps do you just use a regular old sanitized tablespoon and dump it into the starter?

 

when I mentioned this on the Q&A show, Drew asked me that.  But I just guesstimate it.  He couldn't believe I wasn't more precise!  Hey, it's homebrew and close enough is close enough.

[HVB]

when I mentioned this on the Q&A show, Drew asked me that.  But I just guesstimate it.  He couldn't believe I wasn't more precise!  Hey, it's homebrew and close enough is close enough.

Thanks , that would be easier.

[positiveContact]

The day I harvest it. I tend to use it "as is" up to maybe 3 weeks- a month. After that, I usually use 2-3 Tbsp. of it to make a new starter.  Usually....sometimes the laziness gets so strong that I use it as is anyway.

 

well that's interesting to know.  I plan on racking my current beer using 1450 after about 2 weeks in the primary.  at this point I'll save some of the slurry for a batch I was planning on brewing about 1 week after that.  how many quarts of slurry would you be looking to save for 10 gal of 1.065 beer?  this slurry will have a decent amount of hop matter in it if that matters.

 

my initial plan was to make another shaken not stirred starter using 1-2 pints of slurry but not making a starter sounds a lot easier

[denny]

well that's interesting to know.  I plan on racking my current beer using 1450 after about 2 weeks in the primary.  at this point I'll save some of the slurry for a batch I was planning on brewing about 1 week after that.  how many quarts of slurry would you be looking to save for 10 gal of 1.065 beer?  this slurry will have a decent amount of hop matter in it if that matters.

 

my initial plan was to make another shaken not stirred starter using 1-2 pints of slurry but not making a starter sounds a lot easier

 

I'd use about half the slurry you harvest.