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#21 positiveContact

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 10:07 AM

He's using a website because he's too cheap to drop $25 on a decent brewing package. :P

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:05 PM

I have ProMash and BeerSmith but I just got used to using TastyBrew.com and I stuck with it.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:18 AM

Wow, this midnight wheat is amazing. This morning I made my Mexican Dark Lager and instead of the 2 ounces of Belgian debittered black malt I usually use, I subbed in 2 ounces of Midnight Wheat. No roasty aromas in the brewhouse and what a great color. Quite a bit darker than the black malt with less roastiness. My brewhouse usually smells more like a coffeehouse but not today! Cheers.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:35 AM

Glad you brought this back up because I forgot to get back to you. The CDA that I made with MW is amazing. I used a full pound in a 10 G batch and there is no harshness at all. Very smooth with a little bit of roasty flavor but nothing like you'd have with black patent. It's smoother even than Carafa.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:28 PM

Glad you brought this back up because I forgot to get back to you. The CDA that I made with MW is amazing. I used a full pound in a 10 G batch and there is no harshness at all. Very smooth with a little bit of roasty flavor but nothing like you'd have with black patent. It's smoother even than Carafa.

My 2 ounces of MW were combined with 6 lbs of Canada Malting base malt, 3 lbs of Best Malz Vienna, a pound of flaked corn and 6 ounces of Belgian CaraMunich. I can't really say what the SRM is but it's probably 12-15. Your recipe would be like putting 8 ounces (4 times more than I used) in 5 gallons and my guess is that your beer is blackass dark. Mine was a sort of dark-amber.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:38 PM

Ken, how do you think this beer would turn out with say, WYeast 1007?

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:44 PM

My 2 ounces of MW were combined with 6 lbs of Canada Malting base malt, 3 lbs of Best Malz Vienna, a pound of flaked corn and 6 ounces of Belgian CaraMunich. I can't really say what the SRM is but it's probably 12-15. Your recipe would be like putting 8 ounces (4 times more than I used) in 5 gallons and my guess is that your beer is blackass dark. Mine was a sort of dark-amber.

Not black as the inside of a buffalo on a moonless night but very dark brown.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:59 PM

Not black as the inside of a buffalo on a moonless night but very dark brown.

Can you see through it?

Ken, how do you think this beer would turn out with say, WYeast 1007?

I don't see how your could go wrong. The recipe is on my site, towards the bottom of the recipe page... Bordertown Dark Lager. I mixed it up a little on this batch and used a bit more base malt and had about ¼ ounce of Hersbrucker left after measuring it all out so I threw those in at flameout. I also make it with WLP940 from time to time but it was made with 2124 today. Cheers.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:16 PM

Can you see through it?

Not really. You can get some ruby highlights if you shine a flashlight through it but it's pretty opaque. It's a brownish red opaque, not like an impy stout that's black as 20W50 with 10,000 miles on it.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 03:54 PM

Can you see through it?I don't see how your could go wrong. The recipe is on my site, towards the bottom of the recipe page... Bordertown Dark Lager. I mixed it up a little on this batch and used a bit more base malt and had about ¼ ounce of Hersbrucker left after measuring it all out so I threw those in at flameout. I also make it with WLP940 from time to time but it was made with 2124 today. Cheers.

thanks Ken! I think I'm going to try it.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

thanks Ken! I think I'm going to try it.

You will like it. The last time I had it on tap here, my family was all here (6 nieces & nephews all in their 20s plus parents... all beer drinkers) and this was a favorite. That was about 3 years ago. They were just here again in March and I knew I had to make it again. When my West Coast Lager keg went dry, I went to switch out the keg and I got the Bordertown tap handle out and one of my nephews said, "Uncle Ken, is this beer going on tap now?" and when I said I was hooking it up, the whole basement went WHOOOO! I put that keg on tap around 2pm on a Thursday afternoon and about 12 hours later it had kicked. I had about 20 beer drinkers in the basement and this was the quickest keg to go from F to E. Cheers and let me know how it comes out.


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