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#1 Steve Gruver

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 09:37 AM

Who else makes PBW out of Oxyclean Free and TSP (Phosphate Free)?

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:50 PM

Who else makes PBW out of Oxyclean Free and TSP (Phosphate Free)?

I do :cheers: and it works great. it can take anything I throw at it and make it shiny new looking in no time flat.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 01:34 PM

I have seen TSP at Home Depot right? What is the recipe/ratio between the 2?

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 02:47 PM

Phosphate-free "TSP" is actually sodium metasillicate. That's fine, because that's what's in actual PBW in addition to the sodium percarbonate (Oxyclean).I used to make it up and use it, but I've found over time that just the Oxyclean alone works for 95% of stuff, and it's a lot easier.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:11 PM

Phosphate-free "TSP" is actually sodium metasillicate. That's fine, because that's what's in actual PBW in addition to the sodium percarbonate (Oxyclean).I used to make it up and use it, but I've found over time that just the Oxyclean alone works for 95% of stuff, and it's a lot easier.

Right, if I'm gonna use "home made PBW" I just use plain oxiclean since this mixture isn't exactly PBW anyways. Unless I'm mistaken, OxiClean doesn't include the surfactant/chelating agent. So this 2-component blend is missing the third component of PBW.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:27 PM

Right, if I'm gonna use "home made PBW" I just use plain oxiclean since this mixture isn't exactly PBW anyways. Unless I'm mistaken, OxiClean doesn't include the surfactant/chelating agent. So this 2-component blend is missing the third component of PBW.

The blue stuff in traditional Oxyclean is supposed to be a surfactant.Just sayin' (I use the Free Oxy myself.)

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 04:11 PM

The blue stuff in traditional Oxyclean is supposed to be a surfactant.Just sayin' (I use the Free Oxy myself.)

Ah, there you go. For some reason I thought they were fragrance balls or whatever. Just looked this up on oxiclean.com and they say "The blue crystals in OxiClean® Versatile Stain Remover are soil-dispersing agents. This helps remove soil & stains more easily."

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 04:22 PM

I use Sun Brand Oxy Clean generic, 1/2 the price of Ox-Clean

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 05:36 PM

I use Sun Brand Oxy Clean generic, 1/2 the price of Ox-Clean

+1 my cheap brotha

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 05:47 PM

+1 my cheap brotha

spend more on beer that way :huh:

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 07:46 AM

I mix it up like many of you also.

Unless I'm mistaken, OxiClean doesn't include the surfactant/chelating agent. So this 2-component blend is missing the third component of PBW.

I think this is the PTFE stripping agent.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 08:54 AM

50lbs PBW = $125, $2.50 per pound. Worth it. How cheap is oxy anyway?

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 01:20 PM

PBW will strip the Teflon off a pan. I do not know of any Oxyclean or Oxyclean/TSP that can do that.So the substitutes might be close, perhaps close enough for most homebrewer's applications.I have had bad experience with using Oxyclean leaving a white dusty film on glass.The substitutes products might 1/2, 1/4 the cost. I use PBW in such small quantities, saving 1/2 or 1/4 off $0.50 PBW isn't worth the hassle.Then again, I am a right tool for the job kind of guy. PBW in my homebrew rig, Oxyclean in the washer.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 01:29 PM

PBW will strip the Teflon off a pan. I do not know of any Oxyclean or Oxyclean/TSP that can do that.So the substitutes might be close, perhaps close enough for most homebrewer's applications.I have had bad experience with using Oxyclean leaving a white dusty film on glass.The substitutes products might 1/2, 1/4 the cost. I use PBW in such small quantities, saving 1/2 or 1/4 off $0.50 PBW isn't worth the hassle.Then again, I am a right tool for the job kind of guy. PBW in my homebrew rig, Oxyclean in the washer.

I know what you mean, Oxy seems to have this slimy feel to it that is kind of hard to rinse off. I don't know yet if I want to use it in my brewing equipment.

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 01:55 PM

50lbs PBW = $125, $2.50 per pound. Worth it. How cheap is oxy anyway?

50 lbs, is that a lifetime supply for the typical home brewers?

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 04:01 PM

PBW will strip the Teflon off a pan. I do not know of any Oxyclean or Oxyclean/TSP that can do that.So the substitutes might be close, perhaps close enough for most homebrewer's applications.I have had bad experience with using Oxyclean leaving a white dusty film on glass.The substitutes products might 1/2, 1/4 the cost. I use PBW in such small quantities, saving 1/2 or 1/4 off $0.50 PBW isn't worth the hassle.Then again, I am a right tool for the job kind of guy. PBW in my homebrew rig, Oxyclean in the washer.

generic oxy is 4 bucks for a 10 lbs tuband I can't get PBW locally at my LHBS anyway they only carry PLC which is Sodium Metasilicate

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 04:25 PM

I know what you mean, Oxy seems to have this slimy feel to it that is kind of hard to rinse off. I don't know yet if I want to use it in my brewing equipment.

I think this is just because it is alkaline.

Then again, I am a right tool...

Really, everyone else is going to let this slide? :stabby: (Sorry, man, just kidding.)


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