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[EWW]

I'm planning to do a simple easy drinking IPA on Monday to see how a grist of just 2-row and Munich will fare for my taste buds. Any input on the hop bill would be greatly appreciated. I'm going for something that has a somewhat assertive bitterness from the chinook and a nice overall c-hop flavor. Any and all thoughts on the hops are appreciated. If it helps you all, I have a bunch of other varieties in the freezer to play around with so if you think an addition/subtraction/substitution would improve this I'm open to all suggestions...thanks!

Recipe Specifications--------------------------Batch Size: 12.00 gal Boil Size: 14.01 galEstimated OG: 1.070 SGEstimated Color: 7.6 SRMEstimated IBU: 50.6 IBUBrewhouse Efficiency: 77.00 %Boil Time: 60 MinutesIngredients:------------Amount Item Type % or IBU 20.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 66.67 % 10.00 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 33.33 % 1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [9.00 %] (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops - 1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops - 1.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 25.2 IBU 0.50 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (30 min) Hops 5.0 IBU 0.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (30 min) Hops 6.5 IBU 1.00 oz Zeus [14.00 %] (30 min) Hops 13.9 IBU 1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (0 min) Hops - 1.00 oz Zeus [14.00 %] (0 min) Hops - 2.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (0 min) Hops - 1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale

[ncbeerbrewer]

Looking at your hop bill and your intended IBU's for this recipe, I don't see any problems with how you have it set up to go. The only hop that I hear people scowl at is the Chinook but I personally have never brewed with it too. I think seeing that the last addition of it is at 30 minutes you should not have any flavor contributions as well. I personally like your hop bill and go with it as intended. I think Cascade and Centennial hops for flavor will be really nice. Hope the advice helps.

[Jimmy James]

I am also planning an IPA soon with a 2-row and Munich grist. I think it's a great idea and expect it will be tasty. I don't have any problem with the Chinook hops myself, and plan on using them as dry hops when I brew up my version. I think I am going with slightly less Munich and am shooting for something close to Stone's Cali-Belgique IPA only with Munich instead of light crystal.

[big harry deehl]

Do not fear the Chinnok / Centennial combo. St. Rouge's Red and I think this year's Bell's 2 Hearted use it. Although Bells isn't using Chinook late in the boil. Before you ask, this is based on my personal tastings and a conversation with Larry Bell last year about his hop tests / plans.I am not too sure about the Zeus at 30 mins. I am sure it is fine, but you can get too much of it as a flavor addition according to Al_Bob. I don't have ANY problem with Zeus at 0 mins and would move all the Zeus to that addition. I would move the Cent and Cascade into the boil and sort of JPA it... by doing a hop blend added at 45, 30, 15, and 5 mins. That will give you the hop flavor and bitterness and IPA needs.That is just another opinion..... but I don't think your hop plans are bad at all.Good luck with the brew and report back.

[EWW]

Do not fear the Chinnok / Centennial combo. St. Rouge's Red and I think this year's Bell's 2 Hearted use it. Although Bells isn't using Chinook late in the boil. Before you ask, this is based on my personal tastings and a conversation with Larry Bell last year about his hop tests / plans.I am not too sure about the Zeus at 30 mins. I am sure it is fine, but you can get too much of it as a flavor addition according to Al_Bob. I don't have ANY problem with Zeus at 0 mins and would move all the Zeus to that addition. I would move the Cent and Cascade into the boil and sort of JPA it... by doing a hop blend added at 45, 30, 15, and 5 mins. That will give you the hop flavor and bitterness and IPA needs.That is just another opinion..... but I don't think your hop plans are bad at all.Good luck with the brew and report back.

Oh, I don't fear the Chinook/Cent. Combo at all. The Zeus at 30m was one of he things I was unsure of ... When I was starting to put this together I initially had them as a FWHs (they make great FWHs FWIW), but then I erased it all and started from scratch because things were starting to look too muddled. I like the idea of hitiing it with a late mix sub 30m so I will play around with that a bit and see what I come up with. Thanks for the help thus far.EDIT:new idea based on some suggestions20.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 66.67 % 10.00 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 33.33 % 1.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 25.2 IBU 1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (30 min) Hops 5.5 IBU 0.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (30 min) Hops 6.5 IBU 0.50 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (30 min) Hops 5.0 IBU 0.50 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (15 min) Hops 3.2 IBU 0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (15 min) Hops 1.8 IBU 1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (10 min) Hops 4.7 IBU 0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (10 min) Hops 1.3 IBU 2.00 oz Zeus [14.00 %] (2 min) Hops 3.1 IBU 1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops - 1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [9.00 %] (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops -

Edited by ewanzel, 26 April 2009 - 10:58 AM.

[MAZ]

Damn this looks like my kinda brew! Never used Zeus, but I think it's one of the Columbus subs, so it's gotta be good. Looks absolutely perfect to me.

[EWW]

Damn this looks like my kinda brew! Never used Zeus, but I think it's one of the Columbus subs, so it's gotta be good. Looks absolutely perfect to me.

Yep it's a columbus sub and I've been really loving it, and thanks for the kind words on the recipe ... I agree it looks good on paper, but we'll see how it turns out in the real world. Had a smooth brew day and the actual OG was 1.069 which is good enough for government work.EDIT:Actual recipe brewed,

Style: American IPATYPE: All GrainTaste: (35.0) Recipe Specifications--------------------------Batch Size: 12.00 gal	  Boil Size: 14.01 galEstimated OG: 1.070 SGEstimated Color: 7.6 SRMEstimated IBU: 56.2 IBUBrewhouse Efficiency: 77.00 %Boil Time: 60 MinutesIngredients:------------Amount		Item									  Type		 % or IBU	  20.00 lb	  Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)			Grain		66.67 %	   10.00 lb	  Munich Malt (9.0 SRM)					 Grain		33.33 %	   1.50 oz	   Chinook [13.00 %]  (60 min)			   Hops		 25.2 IBU	  0.50 oz	   Chinook [13.00 %]  (30 min)			   Hops		 6.5 IBU	   0.50 oz	   Centennial [10.00 %]  (30 min)			Hops		 5.0 IBU	   1.00 oz	   Cascade [5.50 %]  (30 min)				Hops		 5.5 IBU	   0.50 oz	   Centennial [10.00 %]  (15 min)			Hops		 3.2 IBU	   0.50 oz	   Cascade [5.50 %]  (15 min)				Hops		 1.8 IBU	   0.50 oz	   Cascade [5.50 %]  (10 min)				Hops		 1.3 IBU	   1.00 oz	   Centennial [10.00 %]  (10 min)			Hops		 4.7 IBU	   2.00 oz	   Zeus [14.00 %]  (2 min)				   Hops		 3.1 IBU	   1.00 oz	   Centennial [10.00 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days)   Hops		  -	1.00 oz	   Amarillo Gold [9.00 %]  (Dry Hop 14 days) Hops		  -					1 Pkgs		American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056)		  Yeast-Ale				  Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch SpargeTotal Grain Weight: 30.00 lb----------------------------Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch SpargeStep Time	 Name			   Description						 Step Temp	 75 min		Mash In			Add 7.50 gal of water at 166.6 F	152.0 F

Edited by ewanzel, 27 April 2009 - 09:29 PM.

[TimE]

My standard IPA is 70% Marris Otter, 30% Munich and everyone really enjoys it. This is the one I brought to GABF last year if anyone remembers. For your hop bill you might want to consider making a blend of all of the hops and then use them for all the additions rather than separate hops for different steps. I have become a real big fan of blends, you find things that really play well together that way.

[EWW]

My standard IPA is 70% Marris Otter, 30% Munich and everyone really enjoys it. This is the one I brought to GABF last year if anyone remembers. For your hop bill you might want to consider making a blend of all of the hops and then use them for all the additions rather than separate hops for different steps. I have become a real big fan of blends, you find things that really play well together that way.

Great suggestion. I've always thought about hop blending, but haven't done it yet.

[ncbeerbrewer]

I have been using/trying the JPA hop blending/additions in a few of the beers that I have made this year. I really love it.

[BarelyBrews]

Do not fear the Chinnok / Centennial combo. St. Rouge's Red and I think this year's Bell's 2 Hearted use it. Although Bells isn't using Chinook late in the boil. Before you ask, this is based on my personal tastings and a conversation with Larry Bell last year about his hop tests / plans.

Bell's two-hearted using Chinook now? maybe?per conversation? they may have to change the name to NEW Two-Hearted, similar to New Coke.

[EWW]

20.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 66.67 % 20.00 lb Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 66.67 % 10.00 lb Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 33.33 % 1.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (60 min) Hops 25.2 IBU 0.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] (30 min) Hops 6.5 IBU 0.50 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (30 min) Hops 5.0 IBU 1.00 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (30 min) Hops 5.5 IBU 0.50 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (15 min) Hops 3.2 IBU 0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (15 min) Hops 1.8 IBU 0.50 oz Cascade [5.50 %] (10 min) Hops 1.3 IBU 1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (10 min) Hops 4.7 IBU 2.00 oz Zeus [14.00 %] (2 min) Hops 3.1 IBU 1.00 oz Centennial [10.00 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops - 1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [9.00 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops - 1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale -

Sipping on this one right now and am amazed how well this one turned out. It has just enough backbone to stand up to the hops to create a nice balance. It has a slight bite from the chinook that mixes well with the rest of the C-hops. Thanks for the suggestions on this one ... I'll brew it again soon.

Edited by ewanzel, 16 May 2009 - 01:26 PM.