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[BrewerGeorge]

Not sure what you mean...ETA: I know what the pump you refer to is but not why I'd need it.

Sorry, that comment was directed more at Thirsty. Not sure why I replied to you...

[ThroatwobblerMangrove]

Sorry, that comment was directed more at Thirsty. Not sure why I replied to you...

no problem george

[realbeerguy]

Sounds like you need one of those pumps for putting a toilet in a basement.

If you are doing "grey water" ie: not sewage, you would not need the sump rated for a toilet. I used one in a basement shower in my house in NJ.

[Thirsty]

Sorry, that comment was directed more at Thirsty. Not sure why I replied to you...

So i would be pumping my drain water back to the house? I'll check that out. I also have to be concerned about the diameter I can fit for lines, the tunnel is about 4" in diameter, and it already has a gas line going through it, so I will have to consider that.

[zymot]

I can see the value in that but I'd really like to have hot and cold water out there. I'd also like to not have to use my outdoor spigot b/c it freezes up in the winter. This way I could generally keep the garage door shut in the winter which would be oh so nice!

Careful with closed spaces, burning propane and CO2 build up. You probably know of this, but it is worth a general word of warning.If you have a clothes washer, you already have hot and cold spigot/hook ups. You can use Y adapters and get get hot and cold water service that way. This too, may not apply in your case, something for others reading the thread to consider.zymot

[beach]

I rent , but I got lucky when I moved in here (which was before I started brewing). The house I'm in has a 2-car, heated garage with a half bath and a utility sink. Hot and cold water to both sinks and it's great. I had 2 new block fitlers laying around and plumbed them in series and attached them to my brew stand. For brew water I connect PEX piping froim the Y on the utility sink to the filters. The city water here smells like a swimming pool so I like the double filtration.Brew days are great with a pisser right there and sink 10' from the BK. Beach

[DieselGopher]

I wonder if it would be possible to get the p-trap in the house so I wouldn't have to drain the drain out.

In hind-site, I should have done it that way, but the space inside the house is rather limited. I am resinged to a 5 minute task when needed, not a big deal to me.

[ThroatwobblerMangrove]

Careful with closed spaces, burning propane and CO2 build up. You probably know of this, but it is worth a general word of warning.If you have a clothes washer, you already have hot and cold spigot/hook ups. You can use Y adapters and get get hot and cold water service that way. This too, may not apply in your case, something for others reading the thread to consider.zymot

My garage is far from air tight but if I know I won't be opening the garage door in a while I'll open a couple of windows in the garage to get some ventilation in there.

[Breakpoint]

My wife was just complaining about how my brew stuff was taking up the utility sink in the laundry room....maybe I should just tell her that I need one in the garage.Actually, that'll be difficult since my brew area is in a detached garage. It's an awesome space, but makes setting up a sink difficult.

[jasonrobertcohen]

You guys gave given me some great ideas to get me over my doubts about basement brewing. (Apologies for temporary hijack)1. I have an existing sump pump in the basement. As long as I'm putting out greywater, I should be able to drain a new util sink right into the sump. I had purchased an old toilet pump (supposedly not used for blackwater) in case I was going to pump up to the first floor or up to 3-4 foot high sewer line.2. 10 feet away from a 1st floor washer/util sink Using Wyes with 20-25' RV lines should get me cold and hot water.3. 10 feet away from an old installation of 240V Recently put in gas water heater in place of an electric one. I have direct access to 240V for high wattage electric brewing and don't have to futz with gas line work and ventilation. I just need to worry about condensation from the boil.I believe as long as I have the ability to disconnect everything from existing permanent installations, I shouldn't run into code or permit issues.jrc

[BrewerGeorge]

You guys gave given me some great ideas to get me over my doubts about basement brewing. (Apologies for temporary hijack)1. I have an existing sump pump in the basement. As long as I'm putting out greywater, I should be able to drain a new util sink right into the sump. I had purchased an old toilet pump (supposedly not used for blackwater) in case I was going to pump up to the first floor or up to 3-4 foot high sewer line.2. 10 feet away from a 1st floor washer/util sink Using Wyes with 20-25' RV lines should get me cold and hot water.3. 10 feet away from an old installation of 240V Recently put in gas water heater in place of an electric one. I have direct access to 240V for high wattage electric brewing and don't have to futz with gas line work and ventilation. I just need to worry about condensation from the boil.I believe as long as I have the ability to disconnect everything from existing permanent installations, I shouldn't run into code or permit issues.jrc

The only thing I would hesitate about is putting gray water into the sump. The water from cleanup can be pretty worty and sugary. I'd be afraid of feeding mold or acetobacter from sugars left behind in the sump.

[pods8]

I plan to, probably in the next phase of remodeling. Our water heater and washer/dryer are right there so I'll just tap into the supply and drain lines.

[realbeerguy]

You guys gave given me some great ideas to get me over my doubts about basement brewing. (Apologies for temporary hijack)1. I have an existing sump pump in the basement. As long as I'm putting out greywater, I should be able to drain a new util sink right into the sump. I had purchased an old toilet pump (supposedly not used for blackwater) in case I was going to pump up to the first floor or up to 3-4 foot high sewer line.jrc

If you are talking about draining into an open sump pit for basement seepage, you would be in code violation on two fronts, draining seepage water into a sanitary sewer, and draining grey water into an open pit. The greywater sumps are self enclosed generally used for washing machine applications. Your local codes may vary.

[Stout_fan]

I'd just be worried about the trap freezing in the winter.Draining it lets sewer gas into the garage.

[BrewerGeorge]

I'd just be worried about the trap freezing in the winter.Draining it lets sewer gas into the garage.

Won't hurt anything if it freezes other than clogging the drain while it's frozen. Maybe I'm not understanding you...

[ThroatwobblerMangrove]

Won't hurt anything if it freezes other than clogging the drain while it's frozen. Maybe I'm not understanding you...

Could crack the pipe

[BrewerGeorge]

Could crack the pipe

That's what I meant. The drain is open to atmosphere at both sides, so that the expansion when freezing has somewhere to go. It won't crack the pipe.

[ThroatwobblerMangrove]

That's what I meant. The drain is open to atmosphere at both sides, so that the expansion when freezing has somewhere to go. It won't crack the pipe.

I've got no idea then

[No Party JKor]

I don't have a garage, but I am planning on putting a utility sink in my basement in the next few months for brewing purposes. I have a city sewage, but the drain is above the floor of the basement, so I need a sump box to drain it and an external vent. I'm going to pull hot and cold water into the sink, which will be fairly easy since the house hot/cold supply lines are right in the area I'll be putting the sink. Once I get the utility sink in, my brewing operation will be fully contained in the basement.

[zymot]

I do not understand all this concern about waste water and pumping up into sewage systems.I do all my brewing in the garage. All my waste liquid goes in the bushes or down the drive way into the street gutter.If I thought any of the material I was dumping was an environment hazard, I would put in the sewage. Brewing and the "chemicals" I use is a pretty environmently neutral process.Maybe I need some edumacationing?zymot