https://www.experime...figure-out-hops
We took a week off from hops, but we could never leave them for long. With all of the new ways of using hops, the IBU (which was already a lie) seems increasingly inadequate to reflect the modern beer experience. We're talking to our friends - Sam and Marko, from Grainfather - to discuss a new way to calculate the impact of our hop usage.
Experimental Brewing 130 - A New Way to Figure Out Hops
#1
Posted 07 April 2021 - 10:57 AM
#2
Posted 08 April 2021 - 07:39 AM
Man, a guy takes a mere 7 years off, and so many things have changed. Hops, yeast..... what next?
#3
Posted 08 April 2021 - 07:41 AM
Man, a guy takes a mere 7 years off, and so many things have changed. Hops, yeast..... what next?
Boil length
#4
Posted 08 April 2021 - 10:44 AM
Boil length
It's how you use it that matters.
#5
Posted 11 April 2021 - 06:15 AM
Boil length
Care to elaborate? No longer an hour? Longer or shorter?
#6
Posted 11 April 2021 - 06:22 AM
Care to elaborate? No longer an hour? Longer or shorter?
shorter. I'm not sure how short drez goes but I often do 30 min boils. 45 min if I'm trying to get by with a little less bittering hops. 60 mins rarely - I guess if I feel like I need the extra water to get better efficiency? I don't even know anymore.
#7
Posted 11 April 2021 - 08:29 AM
shorter. I'm not sure how short drez goes but I often do 30 min boils. 45 min if I'm trying to get by with a little less bittering hops. 60 mins rarely - I guess if I feel like I need the extra water to get better efficiency? I don't even know anymore.
shorter mash and boil both
#8
Posted 11 April 2021 - 09:09 AM
Care to elaborate? No longer an hour? Longer or shorter?
I do 30 minute boil for everything these days, even lagers. I have been doing this for at least 3-4 years, maybe more. I have not noticed any issues at all. I have even done noboil NEIPAs because they do not need any bittering.
#9
Posted 11 April 2021 - 10:55 AM
shorter. I'm not sure how short drez goes but I often do 30 min boils. 45 min if I'm trying to get by with a little less bittering hops. 60 mins rarely - I guess if I feel like I need the extra water to get better efficiency? I don't even know anymore.
OTOH, I never go less than 60
#10
Posted 11 April 2021 - 11:33 AM
OTOH, I never go less than 60
I don't think I notice a significant difference either way. Mostly just a time and propane difference.
I don't really put a ton of faith in this but it's a data point at least: https://brulosophy.c...riment-results/
eta: honestly the fact that he thought the hops were kind of garbage really makes me think this experiment is not great. I'd want to do it on a beer that in general things seemed nominal. no weird hop related flavors/aromas.
Edited by Mando, 11 April 2021 - 11:42 AM.
#11
Posted 11 April 2021 - 12:17 PM
I don't think I notice a significant difference either way. Mostly just a time and propane difference.
I don't really put a ton of faith in this but it's a data point at least: https://brulosophy.c...riment-results/
eta: honestly the fact that he thought the hops were kind of garbage really makes me think this experiment is not great. I'd want to do it on a beer that in general things seemed nominal. no weird hop related flavors/aromas.
I prefer to do my own experiments and draw my own conclusions. That way I know what the controls were. I have done 20 minute boils at time by increasing the bittering hops by 50%.
#12
Posted 11 April 2021 - 12:27 PM
I prefer to do my own experiments and draw my own conclusions. That way I know what the controls were. I have done 20 minute boils at time by increasing the bittering hops by 50%.
unless I made both beers at the same time and really held everything else really constant I don't know that I'd trust myself.
so what do you think was different? also, what beer/recipe was it? It seems entirely possible that one style/recipe could be better one way and another style/recipe could be better the other.
Edited by Mando, 11 April 2021 - 12:28 PM.
#13
Posted 11 April 2021 - 12:32 PM
Drez, also interested if you have done any side by sides. I went to 30 min boils for a lot of things and never really looked back (other than the occasional lager where I want the IBUs but not the hop presence) so I'm not a great candidate for proving anything
for drez APA I originally was doing 90 min boils! that would be a great side by side to do. 90 min drez APA vs 30 min drez APA.
Edited by Mando, 11 April 2021 - 12:36 PM.
#14
Posted 11 April 2021 - 12:46 PM
Edited by porter, 11 April 2021 - 12:47 PM.
#15
Posted 11 April 2021 - 01:08 PM
30-45 minute mash and boils here. I'll let the mash go longer if there's something else I need to do, longer boils are to reduce volume if needed. Just did a 30/30 beer today (Simcoe pale ale).
I usually time my brew day so I go do something else during the mash. this usually means my mash goes 90-120 minutes depending on what I'm doing.
#16
Posted 11 April 2021 - 01:18 PM
I usually time my brew day so I go do something else during the mash. this usually means my mash goes 90-120 minutes depending on what I'm doing.
I do this sometimes as well, just depends on the day. Beer turns out good either way.
#17
Posted 11 April 2021 - 01:31 PM
I do this sometimes as well, just depends on the day. Beer turns out good either way.
not surprised
#18
Posted 12 April 2021 - 12:01 PM
unless I made both beers at the same time and really held everything else really constant I don't know that I'd trust myself.
so what do you think was different? also, what beer/recipe was it? It seems entirely possible that one style/recipe could be better one way and another style/recipe could be better the other.
only thing I've ever done with a short boils was APA
#19
Posted 12 April 2021 - 12:36 PM
Drez, also interested if you have done any side by sides. I went to 30 min boils for a lot of things and never really looked back (other than the occasional lager where I want the IBUs but not the hop presence) so I'm not a great candidate for proving anything
for drez APA I originally was doing 90 min boils! that would be a great side by side to do. 90 min drez APA vs 30 min drez APA.
At some point I may have done a side by side but that would have been long ago. These days I have a hard time brewing in general so I have no time for experiments. I know 30 works for me so I just stick with that.
#20
Posted 12 April 2021 - 07:00 PM
At some point I may have done a side by side but that would have been long ago. These days I have a hard time brewing in general so I have no time for experiments. I know 30 works for me so I just stick with that.
I know what you mean. Just brewing as often as I can.
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