If not Marris Otter
#1
Posted 08 October 2009 - 09:28 AM
#2
Posted 08 October 2009 - 09:39 AM
If you could do that nobody would ever buy Maris Otter. What I would do is use any of the following: Golden Promise, Weyermann Pale Malt, Optic or Halcyon. If you can't get any of those then Great Western Pale Malt is the best domestic for maltiness.If you were going to try to get the character of say 10 lbs/5gal of Marris Otter using 2-row and domestic specialty malts, what would your grist be? And I know...some may say you can't mimic those flavors....in that case how would try to get as close as possible?
#3
Posted 08 October 2009 - 09:49 AM
If you were to use Great Western would you add any victory, munich, aromatic, etc to try to make up the difference?If you could do that nobody would ever buy Maris Otter. What I would do is use any of the following: Golden Promise, Weyermann Pale Malt, Optic or Halcyon. If you can't get any of those then Great Western Pale Malt is the best domestic for maltiness.
#4
Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:07 AM
Depends on what I was making.If you were to use Great Western would you add any victory, munich, aromatic, etc to try to make up the difference?
#5
Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:15 AM
While I totally agree you can't duplicate Marris with other malts, if I were using GW 2 Row I would add some Munich and some Victory and call it a day.If you were to use Great Western would you add any victory, munich, aromatic, etc to try to make up the difference?
#6
Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:24 AM
I understand that the beer will dictate the specialty malts, but I was trying to really come from the ground floor perspective of the recipe. Maybe you would add more of a specialty malt in a bitter than an APA but my question is trying to get at what you would replace just the MO with. To try to clarify, maybe you would brew a special bitter with MO and 1/2 lb of aromatic. My question is would you brew it with GW 2row and 3/4 lb of aromatic instead (for example). In that case the answer I would be looking for is you would suggest GWrow and 1/4 aromatic. Does that make sense. Style aside what would you do to try get close to the MO? In a sense I guess what would your substitute domestic malts be for a single malt MO ale (though that is not how I would apply the suggestion). I am just trying to take away from everyone's elses trial and error and to increase my brewing knowledge.Depends on what I was making.
#7
Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:26 AM
What kind of amounts in a 5 gallon batch to come close to say 10 lbs of MO?While I totally agree you can't duplicate Marris with other malts, if I were using GW 2 Row I would add some Munich and some Victory and call it a day.
#8
Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:34 AM
#9
Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:42 AM
#10
Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:46 AM
Have you done this ratio with one american brand specifically or just in general with any brand (rahr, briess, gw, etc)?I do this all the time. I'd add about 4 ounces of Biscuit/Victory to 10lb of American 2-row.That doesn't get you to any particular beer style, it just approximates MO. So add your normal specialties on top of that 4 oz.
#11
Posted 08 October 2009 - 11:03 AM
I've only done it with Rahr 2-row, but I think it would be a good start for just about anything American.Have you done this ratio with one american brand specifically or just in general with any brand (rahr, briess, gw, etc)?
#12
Posted 08 October 2009 - 04:55 PM
#13
Posted 08 October 2009 - 05:11 PM
Agreed.I've found approximating with victory, amber, biscuit, whatever doesn't even come close. Using those malts to mimic the MO flavor tends to put a biscuity flavor upfront in your palate, where as Maris Otter gives you more of a slightly biscuity background maltiness...kinda hard to describe.I would just spend the extra couple of bucks and get Maris Otter for beers that call for it. With all of the time and effort I put into making beer, it's worth it to get 5 gallons of better beer.If you could do that nobody would ever buy Maris Otter. What I would do is use any of the following: Golden Promise, Weyermann Pale Malt, Optic or Halcyon. If you can't get any of those then Great Western Pale Malt is the best domestic for maltiness.
#14
Posted 08 October 2009 - 09:18 PM
#15
Posted 09 October 2009 - 07:09 AM
You're using too much. To get that subtle maltiness, you have to be subtle with the biscuit addition....I've found approximating with victory, amber, biscuit, whatever doesn't even come close. Using those malts to mimic the MO flavor tends to put a biscuity flavor upfront in your palate, where as Maris Otter gives you more of a slightly biscuity background maltiness...kinda hard to describe.
I understand the concept, and agree to some extent. Around here, though, MO is more than twice as expensive as Rahr 2-row - $7-8 more per batch.I would just spend the extra couple of bucks and get Maris Otter for beers that call for it. With all of the time and effort I put into making beer, it's worth it to get 5 gallons of better beer.
#16
Posted 09 October 2009 - 07:36 AM
#17
Posted 09 October 2009 - 03:09 PM
Yeah, perhaps you're right. I've tried 3-5 oz additions, and just don't really care for the flavor.You're using too much. To get that subtle maltiness, you have to be subtle with the biscuit addition.
Yeah, that can be pretty pricey. Definitely adds up if you brew a lot of beer with it.I understand the concept, and agree to some extent. Around here, though, MO is more than twice as expensive as Rahr 2-row - $7-8 more per batch.
Woah dude, settle down. Tongue lashing? I don't think I came across harsh, and certainly didn't mean to. I was just speaking from years of personal experience. From trying homebrew, both mine and others, and visiting many brewpubs. Snobbery? No, just personal preference.I think this is a valid question. Some people decide to buy their malt in bulk, and if (for example) I buy 200 lbs of pale 2-row because I make mostly american beers, should my English beers suffer due to snobbery?! I have been trying to figure out this question myself for a few months too. I know there is nothing that mimics MO but it should be possable to come close using specialty malts. And to not even answer the OP, i feel, is in bad taste. This board should be a resource, not a place to recieve a tounge lashing!
#18
Posted 09 October 2009 - 04:54 PM
#19
Posted 10 October 2009 - 06:50 AM
You need to get on a group buy man!North Country Malts:sack of 2-row: ~$36sack of MO: ~$40Around here, though, MO is more than twice as expensive as Rahr 2-row - $7-8 more per batch.
#20
Posted 10 October 2009 - 08:21 AM
+1 on the Group buy but the prices are even cheaper through North Country. We got an order together this week for 40-42 sacks I got 2 bags of GW 2 Row and they were $27.94 a piece. No complaints here but bulk grain is the way to go no doubts.You need to get on a group buy man!North Country Malts:sack of 2-row: ~$36sack of MO: ~$40
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