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[chadm75]

Hi all -

 

Looking for some guidance on a Red IPA I'm planning on brewing Saturday.  Below is what I've come up with for a 6.5 gal batch.  Please critique at will!

 

11.5 lbs 2-Row

1 lb. Munich 20L

1 lb. Victory

3/4 lb. 80L

1/2 lb. CaraPils

 

1 oz. Centennial (60 mins)

1.5 oz. Centennial (15 mins)

1.5 oz. Cascade (15 mins)

1.5 oz. Centennial (FO)

1.5 oz. Cascade (FO)

1 oz. Centennial (DH for 10 days)

1 oz. Cascade (DH for 10 days)

 

White Labs 001

 

OG: 1.062 - IBU: 60 - SRM: 12 - ABV: 6.4%

 

Thoughts?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

[neddles]

I've never used 20L Munich, who makes it and what do you get from it? 

[BlKtRe]

Im not a huge fan of DH that long. I find it better after crashing the beer to bring it back up to room temp and DH for 3-5 days then remove them. This insures only the hop oils are in the beer and not all the vegetal parts of the hop. 

[positiveContact]

sounds like you need some redX!

 

tre I swear I'm not trying to be disagreeable today.  I mean it!  I leave hops in the keg for months at a time while serving.  no vegetal flavors as far as I know.  no one has ever complained anyway.  I think Denny dry hops in a similar way and I'm sure others do as well.

[Big Nake]

Chad, I don't think it will be red.  I have heard that there are American maltsters that make a "Munich 20" which is more like a specialty malt than a base malt and you can't use it for 100% of the grist like you could with a European Munich 6 or 10.  That doesn't mean Chad couldn't use a pound of it here, just an observation.  I think you need some RedX or at least some C120 and Special B if you really want it RED.

 

BlKtRe:  Your DH comment is interesting.  I do not dry hop a lot but I have never heard anyone suggest such a short DH time.  I have heard 10-14 days and I have heard quite a few people say that longer than 2 weeks is just fine too.  I will be DHing this one beer (with one hop each of Amarillo and Citra) for 10 days as the brewer suggested.

[HVB]

BlKtRe: Your DH comment is interesting. I do not dry hop a lot but I have never heard anyone suggest such a short DH time. I have heard 10-14 days and I have heard quite a few people say that longer than 2 weeks is just fine too. I will be DHing this one beer (with one hop each of Amarillo and Citra) for 10 days as the brewer suggested.

These days most are saying 2-5 days is all you need to get the most out of the hops.

[johnpreuss]

I think that's a lot of Victory... I think it's going to come through strongly and it tends to send your beer down the brown road rather than red.  I agree with Ken, DARK very Dark crystal will get you red.  I just made an amber with British 165L Crystal and that wort was RED.

 

I love that hop bill though.  Looks like some Mirror Pond action kicked up to IPA levels.

[positiveContact]

I think that's a lot of Victory... I think it's going to come through strongly and it tends to send your beer down the brown road rather than red.  I agree with Ken, DARK very Dark crystal will get you red.  I just made an amber with British 165L Crystal and that wort was RED.

 

I love that hop bill though.  Looks like some Mirror Pond action kicked up to IPA levels.

 

I completely missed the victory in there and I tend to agree.  I would keep it below 1/2lb for sure.  maybe even 1/4lb.

[Big Nake]

I think that's a lot of Victory... I think it's going to come through strongly and it tends to send your beer down the brown road rather than red.  I agree with Ken, DARK very Dark crystal will get you red.  I just made an amber with British 165L Crystal and that wort was RED.   I love that hop bill though.  Looks like some Mirror Pond action kicked up to IPA levels.

The British crystal I use occasionally red a good bit of red in it and it's an example of how british crystal is not American crystal.

[chadm75]

Thanks for the all the help!  What I'm shooting for is almost like a crimson color...in the 12-14 SRM area.  What about this?

 

 

12.5 lbs 2-Row

1 lb. White Wheat Malt

1/2 lb. Munich 10L

1/2 lb. Special B

1/2 lb. 120L

 

 

1 oz. Centennial (60 mins)

1.5 oz. Centennial (15 mins)

1.5 oz. Cascade (15 mins)

1.5 oz. Centennial (FO)

1.5 oz. Cascade (FO)

1 oz. Centennial (DH for 10 days)

1 oz. Cascade (DH for 10 days)

 

White Labs 001

 

OG: 1.064 - IBU: 60 - SRM: 13 - ABV: 6.5%

[Poptop]

Based on Ken's HHR recipe and my experience using the same quantities, I believe a half pound each 120 and B will give you a great crimson/auburn color.

[chadm75]

Does anyone get the "raisin" flavor Special B...that's something I don't want.

[Poptop]

Yes, mildly

[neddles]

Does anyone get the "raisin" flavor Special B...that's something I don't want.

Yes, and it's in C120 as well. My guess is you'll get a fair bit of it with the quantities you have listed.

[Big Nake]

I have heard it referred to as "dark fruit". I will get some of that and by all means you could bring those quantities down to 6 ounces of each and still get good color... but I definitely don't get so much that I feel that I overdid it. Maybe I'm not as sensitive to it. The other thing you could do is use some RedX if you have access to it or use something like 4 ounces of Special B, 4 ounces of C120 (or a good British crystal like Thomas Fawcett Dark Crystal #1 or #2) and then maybe an ounce of Carafa Special III. It's dehusked and gives very little to no roasty flavor but it adds color and when combined with the 2 dark crystals, it could light up red pretty righteously. I made a beer with 60% RedX, the rest pilsner and then I added CaraAroma (my LHBS didn't have Special B at the time) and I got a very red wort. It's still in primary and I'll post a pic when I have one. "Crimson" or "red" is tough to do. Most beers that people call 'red' are more of a dark amber. I know that between RedX, Special B, C120, maybe British Crystal and Carafa III there is a real RED beer out there. Cheers Chad.

[Poptop]

Well put

[BlKtRe]

The stuff you learn hanging around pro brewers after they come back from classes at CBC.

[chadm75]

Brewed this on Saturday.  It was gorgeous...sunny and in the mid-50's!

 

The combo of 120L and Special B turned out beautiful.  Crystal clear wort that was a ruby red color....thanks for the guidance on this one!  Pacific Northwest hops throughout...

 

Pitched a boatload of fresh WLP001 and this thing is going crazy at 65°!!!

[matt6150]

Nice! Please post a pic when it's finished.

[Poptop]

Sounds awesome! Boat load of 001, me too! The stuff is amazing! Oh and what Matt said