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[matt6150]

The picture came out really dark for some reason. Not sure why, must be my crappy phone camera. I've tried playing with settings but hasn't changed anything.

[neddles]

The Fulton beers disappeared from the shelf at my local but Todd the Axeman just showed up. Canning date 7/31/15. Anxious to crack one of these open tonight and see how it compares to the version I made.

[neddles]

I had one of these last night. It is very, very much like the one I brewed. Very fresh and delicious. There are a few small differences though. First, it's very hoppy but not quite as much so as the one I brewed (and accidentally added 1.5x my original dry hop weight). I would definitely stick with what I had in the OP for dry hops if my goal was to clone or get close to the commercial beer. All the flavors are remarkably similar, but that really shouldn't be too surprising considering the simplicity of the recipe. There is a thread on HBT where a guy says he talked to the head brewer at Surly and the Citra:Mosaic ratio is indeed 2:1.  https://www.homebrew...329&postcount=5  I made a lucky guess based on my taste preferences. I think there might be a touch more of the herbal-danky flavor from Mosaic that comes through in the Surly beer and I think my version was a bit drier as well. Also similar is that the Surly beer is considerably cloudy. Mine was a thick cloudiness nightmare until I used biofine to get it even "sort-of clear". I have good eyes and I can even see really tiny (what I am guessing to be) "hop dust" suspended in the Surly beer. One thing that strikes me as odd is the color. The beer that poured from the can was very much orange in color. The beer is reportedly 100% GP for malt. Mine was a pale yellow as you might expect from 100% GP. The commercial beer is a pale orange for sure. The malt flavor is all GP as far as I can discern. It looks like they have upped the ABV on this from 6.5 to 7.2%. Maybe there was an increase in base malt accounting for the color change. Attempts to "clone" it would require an increase in the OG from my recipe in the OP.

 

Ok, so long winded here but awesome beer came out of this. Will make again! And thanks to Matt for hooking me on to this beer.

Edited by nettles, 19 August 2015 - 05:33 AM.

[HVB]

Funny,  I just brought this thread up earlier this week to re-read it in anticipation of a 100% Marris Otter beer.  I decided to go 100% Galaxy with it but now I am debating if I go with the citra/mosaic blend.  Sounds like a great beer and a friend of mine was just at Surly and had this beer after I told him about it and said it was the best beer of the trip.

[matt6150]

I'm still waiting for my cans that my brother said he was sending 2 weeks ago. I was hoping to get it super fresh, but oh well. I've been thinking about this beer lately, may brew again soon. I remember it being fairly cloudy and orange as well so when I brewed mine it did strike me as odd since mine was more pale. But either way great beer! Will brew again. Now I need to text my brother.

[DieselGopher]

I'm still waiting for my cans that my brother said he was sending 2 weeks ago. I was hoping to get it super fresh, but oh well. I've been thinking about this beer lately, may brew again soon. I remember it being fairly cloudy and orange as well so when I brewed mine it did strike me as odd since mine was more pale. But either way great beer! Will brew again. Now I need to text my brother.

You got a back up if needed. Just let me know.

[matt6150]

Brewing this again today. Using Nugget for bittering though just because.

[neddles]

I really should make this again.

[matt6150]

I have this on tap now and did a side by side with the real stuff. They are very similar. The color is different, I guess different maltsters? Aroma is the same. Flavor I think mine needed more citra to be the same, but I really wasn't going for an exact clone. Overall great beer and will continue to brew it. Oh and I entered it into a local contest to get some feedback.

[neddles]

That's great. I never could figure out why their's comes out so much more orange. Maybe they are picking up more color in the boil? Maybe they use a tiny percentage of black malt but just say 100% GP? Don't know. I am going to make this again sometime this summer.

 

BTW Matt, what yeast have you been using for it?

[matt6150]

007

I'm bringing a keg of this with me camping today. At 7% it will make a great session beer.

[MyaCullen]

higher extraction efficiency?

[neddles]

higher extraction efficiency?

for the color? i would think the opposite.

[MyaCullen]

for the color? i would think the opposite.

logically I'd think more solids extracted through higher efficiency would equal more color

[neddles]

logically I'd think more solids extracted through higher efficiency would equal more color

Its an interesting question and I won't presume to know the answer. But my thinking was that less malt would be involved with higher extraction efficiencies therefor less color to extract. I guess I would have to know if color and sugar are extracted together or independently. Are they?

[MyaCullen]

Its an interesting question and I won't presume to know the answer. But my thinking was that less malt would be involved with higher extraction efficiencies therefor less color to extract. I guess I would have to know if color and sugar are extracted together or independently. Are they?

I'm just guessing like you, but color comes from malliard reactions in the sugars, IIRC.