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[neddles]

Well I was going to make a saison over the weekend but it came to my attention we may be having a considerable number of people over here on New Years Eve. I want to have something on the tap that will be pleasantly hoppy but will suit a wide variety of tastes. Been thinking about this one for a while. Nothing new about the idea here. Just want it to come out good. I'm a little tempted to sub. in a small charge of Willamette in the whirlpool as well.

 

OG 1.058

SRM 9

IBU 42

 

92% Crisp MO

8% Carastan (37L)

Mash @ 150F

 

Northern Brewer @60 min to 42 IBU

55g each of Cascade/EKG in 165F whirlpool

 

WLP002

 

 

 

[HVB]

I like the simple grain bill any water adjustments?

 

I guess I hop at a slightly higher rate ..lol

[neddles]

I like the simple grain bill any water adjustments?

 

I guess I hop at a slightly higher rate ..lol

Water will be RO with salts added to about Ca-50, SO4-100, Cl-40, pH target of 5.3.

 

Remember its a crowd pleaser! If I was making this for just me I would definitely hop it higher probably in the form of dry hops but I think I'm going to skip the dry hops on this one to get it colder sooner. Also that's a little higher % of crystal than I usually use but I think it will work nicely for everyones tastes. 

[positiveContact]

I think that's a higher IBU than I'd shoot for for a crowd pleaser type beer.  how many pounds of base and crystal are we talking here?  I could back it out based on gravity but I'm too lazy.

[neddles]

I think that's a higher IBU than I'd shoot for for a crowd pleaser type beer.  how many pounds of base and crystal are we talking here?  I could back it out based on gravity but I'm too lazy.

As a crowd pleaser I am expecting this to finish a little higher than I normally do, probably around 1.015 which should get me to about 5.7% abv. I was thinking that FG should balance the higher IBU to a degree but you're right it wouldn't hurt to back it down a little I suppose.

 

11.25# MO

1# Carastan

[positiveContact]

As a crowd pleaser I am expecting this to finish a little higher than I normally do, probably around 1.015 which should get me to about 5.7% abv. I was thinking that FG should balance the higher IBU to a degree but you're right it wouldn't hurt to back it down a little I suppose.

 

11.25# MO

1# Carastan

 

I'm not sure why you'd expect the FG to be so high.  I have not used wlp002 though.  if I was using S-04 I'd expect something like 1.012.  is wlp002 a really low attenuator?

[neddles]

I'm not sure why you'd expect the FG to be so high.  I have not used wlp002 though.  if I was using S-04 I'd expect something like 1.012.  is wlp002 a really low attenuator?

Yes you could say that. And with that # of crystal and OG1.058 even with 150F mash temp I'm estimating my system will get me to about that gravity.

[positiveContact]

Yes you could say that. And with that # of crystal and OG1.058 even with 150F mash temp I'm estimating my system will get me to about that gravity.

 

well if the FG will really be that high your IBUs aren't that far off.  you'll need them to balance it out I think.

[HVB]

Water will be RO with salts added to about Ca-50, SO4-100, Cl-40, pH target of 5.3.

 

Remember its a crowd pleaser! If I was making this for just me I would definitely hop it higher probably in the form of dry hops but I think I'm going to skip the dry hops on this one to get it colder sooner. Also that's a little higher % of crystal than I usually use but I think it will work nicely for everyones tastes. 

My crowds like hops like I do. 

 

I do have a question on skipping the dry hops to get it cold sooner.  What is your normal process for DH'ing and how long does it take?  The reason I ask is I brewed an IPA on 11-30 and kegged it on 12-14.  This was a 10g batch with 11 oz of dryhops in 2 stages.  I had 2 pints yesterday and expect it to be at optimal carbonation by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest, 16 days from the kettle. 

[neddles]

My crowds like hops like I do. I do have a question on skipping the dry hops to get it cold sooner. What is your normal process for DH'ing and how long does it take? The reason I ask is I brewed an IPA on 11-30 and kegged it on 12-14. This was a 10g batch with 11 oz of dryhops in 2 stages. I had 2 pints yesterday and expect it to be at optimal carbonation by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest, 16 days from the kettle.

Lucky you for your crowd. This beer will likely hit the keg on day 6 or 7 pending a stable gravity and tasting for diacetyl. With a 3 day dry hop I can get this to the keg, carbonated and tasting well at 12-13 days... Or at least I have with bigger beers than this. That said, more time cold would make it better no doubt. So what I am doing here is striking a balance. I am favoring the extra 3 days cold conditioning to its peak over dry hopping.

[neddles]

Dammit Drez now youve got me debating the dry hop in my head again! Maybe a couple ozs right when the krausen falls. Hmm.

Edited by nettles, 15 December 2014 - 08:54 AM.

[positiveContact]

Dammit Drez now youve got me debating the dry hop in my head again! Maybe a couple ozs right when the krausen falls. Hmm.

 

I think most people like hops.  what they don't like is extreme bitterness which is what they think hops have to be like and as we all know, they don't.  load up on the dry hopping I say!

[HVB]

Dammit Drez now youve got me debating the dry hop in my head again! Maybe a couple ozs right when the krausen falls. Hmm.

Do it!!  I did a 9 day hoppy apa for July 4th this year.  it is possible!!

 

I think most people like hops.  what they don't like is extreme bitterness which is what they think hops have to be like and as we all know, they don't.  load up on the dry hopping I say!

 

And this!!

[neddles]

Went with 60g each Cascade/EKGin the whirlpool. The krausen fell this afternoon and activity has slowed to a crawl so tonight this got a dry hop of 40g each Cascade and EKG. It smells amazingly good, but don't they all?

[neddles]

Went with 60g each Cascade/EKGin the whirlpool. The krausen fell this afternoon and activity has slowed to a crawl so tonight this got a dry hop of 40g each Cascade and EKG. It smells amazingly good, but don't they all?

FG1.011. Sometimes attenuation comes out differently than planned. Based on experience and intuition I really did not that WLP002 would take this down that far. My OG was a little low at 1.056 but still that is 80% attenuation. I guess the misjudgment was a serendipitous one though because it tastes great. As noted above this got 40g each of Cascade and EKG dry at krausen fall. Everytime I tasted this I kept thinking I need more of this great flavor sooooo… it got another 40g each Cascade and EKG in the keg. This is such a great hop pairing. Fully carbonated now and I have no concerns about this being crowd pleaser. Behind the hops the MO and light caramel charter of the Carastan come through quite well and play well with these hops. There is a ton of really nice flavor going on here… woo hoo!

[positiveContact]

FG1.011. Sometimes attenuation comes out differently than planned. Based on experience and intuition I really did not that WLP002 would take this down that far. My OG was a little low at 1.056 but still that is 80% attenuation. I guess the misjudgment was a serendipitous one though because it tastes great. As noted above this got 40g each of Cascade and EKG dry at krausen fall. Everytime I tasted this I kept thinking I need more of this great flavor sooooo… it got another 40g each Cascade and EKG in the keg. This is such a great hop pairing. Fully carbonated now and I have no concerns about this being crowd pleaser. Behind the hops the MO and light caramel charter of the Carastan come through quite well and play well with these hops. There is a ton of really nice flavor going on here… woo hoo!

 

I find that most yeasts can take down a moderate gravity beer pretty readily despite what the spec sheet says.  I'm not exactly clear how they come up with those numbers.

 

You are correct on the EKG/cascade mix.  It's delicious.  Similarly willamette/cascade is also a classic pairing for a similar reason - the willy has a lot of EKG characteristics.  sounds great though!

[neddles]

I find that most yeasts can take down a moderate gravity beer pretty readily despite what the spec sheet says.  I'm not exactly clear how they come up with those numbers.

 

You are correct on the EKG/cascade mix.  It's delicious.  Similarly willamette/cascade is also a classic pairing for a similar reason - the willy has a lot of EKG characteristics.  sounds great though!

Yeah. Big fan of the cascade/willy mix too. I've got a fair bit of willy on hand too. 

[positiveContact]

Yeah. Big fan of the cascade/willy mix too. I've got a fair bit of willy on hand too. 

 

do it!  I'm kind of going off EKG I think. I like it a lot but willy is close enough and that much more available.

[Brauer]

I've got a fair bit of willy on hand too.

[neddles]

I've got a fair bit of willy on hand too. 

 

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