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#1 chadm75

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 01:41 PM

So I brewed a new style for me last week, a Belgian Blonde Ale.  The grain bill consisted of 80% Belgian Pils, 10% White Wheat Malt, and 10% Cane Sugar.  

 

I was using a White Labs yeast strain for the first time.  It had two months to go until the "Best Before" date which after some research meant it had been produced two months ago.  I threw it on the stir plate for 36 hours as usual with all my liquid strains and let it ferment out, then I crashed it.  I could tell almost immediately that this strain doesn't floc worth a poo.  Not that I care in this particular instance, just found it interesting as most Belgian beers I've had aren't "brilliant" in clarity.  Anyway, I brewed last Tuesday and within 12 hours I had a major activity going on in the primary which I contributed to the simple cane sugar.  But after 24 hours, it was rocking away on the complex sugar from the malt.  

 

I was fermenting this at 72°.  Then after about three days, most of the fermentation activity had stalled and my gravity was stuck at 1.035 (my OG was 1.061).  After doing some more research, this strain has a tendency to stall in the 30's and you're instructed to aerate or rack to get the yeast moving again.  Not really wanting to do either of those things, I have been giving the carboy about 30 seconds of swirl time every day and it seems to be fermenting as normal.  My sample reading yesterday was 1.022 after six days in the primary.  This is a slow fermenting yeast, that's for sure.  It might be another week or two before she's finished.  Maybe I'm just impatient...correction, I am impatient.  Which for you youngsters out there, is not a good thing in this hobby.

 

Anyone else had experiences with this strain or Belgian yeasts acting like this?

 

Cheers folks!



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 02:24 PM

I have had WY3787 take an unusually long time on a belgian dubbel. With a thick krausen on top the beer just kept on swirling and whirling in the carboy for like 2 or 3 weeks. Unheard of at my place. Anyways the beer turned out good and finished around 1.010 IIRC.

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 02:31 PM

If you got through the brunt of fermentation, maybe try warming it up.



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 02:49 PM

I have had WY3787 take an unusually long time on a belgian dubbel. With a thick krausen on top the beer just kept on swirling and whirling in the carboy for like 2 or 3 weeks. Unheard of at my place. Anyways the beer turned out good and finished around 1.010 IIRC.

 

Same here.  I can only think of WY1968 where I've had to keep swirling for it to finish out.  Just with WLP570 being a low flocc'ing yeast, I thought it would finish out easily in the low 70's.  

 

If you got through the brunt of fermentation, maybe try warming it up.

 

It's still at 72° and without a heat belt, I can't get it much warmer.  

 

I can be patient for sure...the gravity samples are tasting amazing!


Edited by chadm75, 01 December 2014 - 02:52 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 02:53 PM

It's still at 72° and without a heat belt, I can't get it much warmer.

Man I wish I had that problem.

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Posted 01 December 2014 - 03:06 PM

I'm lucky actually, in the Winter I can move the primary from one spot to the next in my brewing area to get the proper fermentation temp.  In the Summer, all ale primary ferments take place in the chest freezer at 65°-68°

 

Being down south, I'm sure you can't sympathize...ha!  #coldweatherbrewingproblems



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 05:35 PM

Haven't used the WL product, but I believe that's the Duvel strain (WY 1388).

Keep it warm.  Rouse the yeast.  Often stalls if the wort cools during fermentation.  Ideally, keep ramping the temp and never let it cool.

I've had some recover and finish, I've had some I finally gave up and threw some Brett on.

Give it time and temp.



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Posted 01 December 2014 - 05:52 PM

Did a BGS a few years ago with the 570.  Just let it go at it's own pace.


Edited by realbeerguy, 01 December 2014 - 05:53 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2014 - 07:48 PM

Haven't used the WL product, but I believe that's the Duvel strain (WY 1388).Keep it warm. Rouse the yeast. Often stalls if the wort cools during fermentation. Ideally, keep ramping the temp and never let it cool.I've had some recover and finish, I've had some I finally gave up and threw some Brett on.Give it time and temp.

All this. Unfortunately if it cools off it most likely won't finish properly. That's why lots of people use heating pads when brewing Belgians and farmhouse beers.

Edited by BlKtRe, 01 December 2014 - 07:49 PM.


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Posted 02 December 2014 - 01:37 PM

All this. Unfortunately if it cools off it most likely won't finish properly. That's why lots of people use heating pads when brewing Belgians and farmhouse beers.

 

A heating pad....hadn't thought of that one!  We've got one at home so I'll wrap it around the carboy tonight!

 

Thanks!



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 12:23 PM

Thought I would rouse this thread instead of starting a new one.  Is the 1388 a slow starter in terms of fermenting?  I pitched about 20 hours ago and have not had any discernable activity.  Give it some more time?  Warm it up a bit?  It's probably around 68 right now, but what I'm reading is is thrives on warmth.



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 12:45 PM

How old was it? Did you make a starter? What was the OG?



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 12:53 PM

I did not check the date, but still have the pack.  It swelled fully.  I did not make a starter (I'll admit it slipped my mind over the weekend and Saturday was spent focusing on a couple of other crisis going on).  OG was 1.078.



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 12:57 PM

I did not check the date, but still have the pack.  It swelled fully.  I did not make a starter (I'll admit it slipped my mind over the weekend and Saturday was spent focusing on a couple of other crisis going on).  OG was 1.078.

 

That's a good hunk of gravity to throw at a single pack of unknown age and no starter. My guess is your in an extended lag and/or growth phase as that yeast is ramping up for a big job. It will probably get rolling here sooner or later but it may take some patience, I suspect.



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 01:18 PM

That's a good hunk of gravity to throw at a single pack of unknown age and no starter. My guess is your in an extended lag and/or growth phase as that yeast is ramping up for a big job. It will probably get rolling here sooner or later but it may take some patience, I suspect.

November 19th.

 

Agreed.  I overshot my gravity by .008.  

 

When I bought the pack on Saturday, my LHBS (a guy I trust) said that stressing the yeast will bring out the desired qualities.  I smacked it Saturday evening and by Sunday morning it was fully swelled.  



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 01:33 PM

I did not check the date, but still have the pack.  It swelled fully.  I did not make a starter (I'll admit it slipped my mind over the weekend and Saturday was spent focusing on a couple of other crisis going on).  OG was 1.078.

 

You set yourself up for a a slow start by not making a s

 

November 19th.

 

Agreed.  I overshot my gravity by .008.  

 

When I bought the pack on Saturday, my LHBS (a guy I trust) said that stressing the yeast will bring out the desired qualities.  I smacked it Saturday evening and by Sunday morning it was fully swelled.  

 

even what you were shooting for was too much without a starter.  IMO, anything over 1.040 needs a starter.



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Posted 05 February 2018 - 08:26 PM

A nice Krausen has formed.  Crisis averted.




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