Dumb Question..
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 12:33 PM
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 12:35 PM
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 12:38 PM
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 12:44 PM
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 12:50 PM
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 12:51 PM
Around my parts Marris isn't a "regualr old 2 row" its priced like pilsner. Great Western is the most affordable 2row around here.Why is it that lager recipes use so much Pilsner malt? I mean...why not regular old 2- row pale malt like Mrris Otter and such. /dumb question
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 12:54 PM
Edited by MyBeerPants, 02 April 2009 - 12:54 PM.
#8
Posted 02 April 2009 - 12:54 PM
I don't know what you pay...but I pay mid $50s for a bag of either Muntons or Fawcett Marris Otter. Heck, Briess 2- row made right down the road is still touching on $50 a bag.Around my parts Marris isn't a "regualr old 2 row" its priced like pilsner. Great Western is the most affordable 2row around here.
#9
Posted 02 April 2009 - 12:57 PM
Lucky you! I get charged a premium here for MO. That's why I never use it. Cost about 75 to 80 bucks a sack. frickin highway robbery I tell ya. Good stuff, but just like the pilsner, I can't justify the added expense and since the beer is for me, I dont' have to worry about guidelines. As long as it tastes good to me it IS a winner.Thanks for the replies.....they all make sense.I don't know what you pay...but I pay mid $50s for a bag of either Muntons or Fawcett Marris Otter. Heck, Briess 2- row made right down the road is still touching on $50 a bag.
#10
Posted 02 April 2009 - 01:02 PM
That's exactly why I use Pilsner in my Blondes...just to make it paler. Thx,BFBThere are probably a number different reasons. One is that a lot of lagers are very pale and you need the palest malt you can find. Another is that lagers usually don't have a huge malt flavor. And I think some of it has to do with tradition -- it's what they use because it's what they've always used.It's not a dumb question by the way.
#11
Posted 02 April 2009 - 01:06 PM
Great western is around $50 I believe (used to be $35 a few years ago). Marris will set you back $80-90.Thanks for the replies.....they all make sense.I don't know what you pay...but I pay mid $50s for a bag of either Muntons or Fawcett Marris Otter. Heck, Briess 2- row made right down the road is still touching on $50 a bag.
#12
Posted 02 April 2009 - 01:20 PM
You can still make some damn pale beer with just American 2-row and some wheat or Vienna thrown in. I think I see most 2-row at 2° and some of the pilsners at 1.5° or something. I've got a few ultra-pale beers that had American 2-row as the base malt. Never bought a full sack but $37 for Great Western sounds like a sweet deal. Cheers.That's exactly why I use Pilsner in my Blondes...just to make it paler. Thx,BFB
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 01:22 PM
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 01:55 PM
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 04:53 PM
I can validate that (distinct flavor, not sure about the why though), as can my wife. She hates the flavor of pilsener malt and pretty much stays away from any lager that features it since usually the yeast and hop character in those brews is subtle and doesn't cover up the pilsener flavor. On the other hand I love the flavor of pilsener malt. I can't describe it, but you'll know it if you brew a Munich Helles or something that really accentuates the malt and uses a neutral lager/bock yeast and low IBU. I don't think it's as noticeable in Belgian ales where it's also used but there's a lot more yeast character to dominate the overall profile. Maybe someone here can take a stab at describing the pilsener malt flavor?The pilsner has a distinct character as I think it is kilned differently, maybe someone else can chime in and validate that...
#16
Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:45 PM
Yikes! You should try to find someone in your area to get in on a group buy. $75 is damn near "by the batch" prices.That's pretty much what I do also ken, especially when the malt isn't the shining star. It's a lot cheaper too! $75 for a sack of weyermann pilsner malt compared to 44 for Rahr 2- row of the same lovibond. Generally for german lagers I'll mix the pilsner and Am. 2-row. The pilsner has a distinct character as I think it is kilned differently, maybe someone else can chime in and validate that... but not distinct enough for me to justify the added cost of a large portion of the grain bill.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 10:37 PM
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:48 AM
It's no joke man, The LHBS has a pretty hefty markup I think. But then again if you look at online suppliers like B3 or NB, It's only like ten bucks less... and then you have to ship it. Meh, I just cut it with some two row and call it good, I like it.Yikes! You should try to find someone in your area to get in on a group buy. $75 is damn near "by the batch" prices.
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 08:46 AM
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 08:49 AM
A pallet is 40-42 sacks, and with shipping comes in around $45 max for almost all varieties , our brew club does a group buy fall and spring, we have traditionally offered it to the LHBS , but he turns us down as too much work for him.It's no joke man, The LHBS has a pretty hefty markup I think. But then again if you look at online suppliers like B3 or NB, It's only like ten bucks less... and then you have to ship it. Meh, I just cut it with some two row and call it good, I like it.
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