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[Big Nake]

Go.

[Deerslyr]

Ale: yeast ferments from the top at a higher temperature and provides more flavor and aromas.Lager: yeast ferments from the bottom at a lower termperature and provides a cleaner flavor.That's all I know.ETA: Or are you looking for a more spirited discussion than the basics?

Edited by Deerslyr, 13 July 2012 - 06:07 AM.

[Big Nake]

Come on now. Get with the winning team.

[HVB]

I am sure I will get flamed for this but for me it is all about fermentation temperature. An ale is something I ferment 62-85, a lager is something I ferment under 52 and a hybrid is what I ferment between 52-62. So, for me, if I ferment a beer with WLP001 at 52 it would be a lager. **prepares for my interpertation to be critisized **

[Deerslyr]

Come on now. Get with the winning team.

I think an Ale masks flaws in a beer better than a lager. I think more experienced brewers are more comfortable brewing lagers for this reason.Is that more in line with what you were looking for??? *

[Mindblock]

As posted in the other thread.....IIRC:Ale = Saccharomyces Cerevisiae at "warm" fermentation temps (64F and up)Lager = Same genus but different species.....Saccharomyces Carlsbergensis at "cool" fermentation temps (40F to 55F)Hybrid Beer = either lager yeasts fermented at "low" ale temperatures, or ale yeast fermented at "high" lager temperatures. (or use of a blend of yeast).

[Beejus McReejus]

Bud Light or dark beer. I don't like them dark beers.

[Deerslyr]

Bud Light or dark beer. I don't like them dark beers, they are too strong.

FTFY

[johnpreuss]

Bud Light or dark beer. I don't like them dark beers.

LMAO I just had that conversation with a guy after a training seminar last week.

[Mya]

IMO the taste defines the beer, when it all comes down to it, unless you write a recipe on each bottle or glass, whatever created the beer is secondary to the finished result.

[Beejus McReejus]

I would say the yeast defines the beer, technically. I agree an ale brewed at a cooler temp can closely emulate a lager, but what makes a lager a lager and an ale and ale is the type of yeast that is used. I wouldn't classify a beer brewed with ale yeast that is clean and crisp, like a Kolsch, to be a lager. And if you F'd up a lager and fermented it at 70F, even though it would't taste right, wouldn't be an ale.

Edited by BJ1833, 13 July 2012 - 07:44 AM.

[Humperdink]

Yes, all that has been said, but that's more subjective. You can ferment an ale cold or a lager warm.The lab test for if it's a lager yeast or ale is the ability for the yeast to ferment raffinose. If it can, it's a lager yeast, if not? an ale.

Edited by cose, 13 July 2012 - 07:59 AM.

[Hines]

Raffinose is an oligosaccharide, consistingof three simple sugars (fructose, galactose, and glucose) linkedtogether.

Chemical formula: C ₁₈ H ₃₂ O ₁₆ . I had to look raffinose up.

[Big Nake]

Can you make a lager with ale yeast?

[Humperdink]

Can you make a lager with ale yeast?

Technically no.

[Mya]

[Humperdink]

You can make a very lager like beer, one that could be PERCEIVED to be a lager, but what labs use to define a lager would make that a no. I"ve had some blondes that I couldn't tell the difference. BUt raffinose is present, so it's an ale.labs look for the presence of raffinose to classify a yeast as lager or ale.

[denny]

Can you make a lager with ale yeast?

No. You can make a beer with lager characteristics, but it won't be a lager.

[Deerslyr]

Does anyone get the feeling that someone else other than Ken is accessing his account?

[ChicagoWaterGuy]

Can you make a lager with ale yeast?

Are you trying to stir things up around here Ken? Is it a lager if I ferment it in Bud Light kegs I found behind the liquor store?