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[inv]

Seriously? That was people that clearly give a shit about arguing politics on the internet can do so, and when one of them inevitably gets pissed and decides to flouce, it will just be from that forum.

[toonces]

you'd have to throw religion in as well.

[Buscotucky]

How 'bout an asshattery subforum?

[inv]

Is religion really argued all that much here? I mean we all know Scientology is the one true religion.

[bdutton]

Seriously... Why would you need a subforum when all the sandy vaginas need to do is avoid reading posts about politics.I'll post again when this gets to 10 pages.

[Mexas Joe]

Seriously... Why would you need a subforum when all the sandy vaginas need to do is avoid reading posts about politics.I'll post again when this gets to 10 pages.

Agree. It's not all that hard to avoid threads.

[inv]

Apprently it is hard enough. That way there could be sub flounces.

[Dave]

Real men soldier on with their sandy vaginas.Jus' sayin'...

[HarvInSTL]

Another beer board that I frequent has a sub-forum called "Open Debate" and these religious, political,etc types of threads are placed.

[ThroatwobblerMangrove]

Seriously... Why would you need a subforum when all the sandy vaginas need to do is avoid reading posts about politics.I'll post again when this gets to 10 pages.

the political stuff tends to cause thread bleed. having a seperate space for it might reduce this significantly.

[MtnBrewer]

*moves thread from PH*People don't use the sub-forums we've already got. What good would another one do?

[ThroatwobblerMangrove]

*moves thread from PH*People don't use the sub-forums we've already got. What good would another one do?

It seems like some potential answers to your question have already been posted.

[MtnBrewer]

It seems like some potential answers to your question have already been posted.

The only one I saw was yours, which is an idea that does have merit. However, if people aren't going to use the sub-forum, that tends to diminish its usefulness don't you think? And then the mods will just end up moving threads around more than we already do.Every time this comes up we ask for a really convincing argument why a board that is about making wine and beer should have two off-topic areas. So far nobody has knocked our socks off with a great reason.

[CaptRon]

The only one I saw was yours, which is an idea that does have merit. However, if people aren't going to use the sub-forum, that tends to diminish its usefulness don't you think? And then the mods will just end up moving threads around more than we already do.Every time this comes up we ask for a really convincing argument why a board that is about making wine and beer should have two off-topic areas. So far nobody has knocked our socks off with a great reason.

I think if most of the flounces can be attributed to the Political and Religious threads, then separating them out into a sub-forum of the PH might make sense.A couple of other beer making forums I frequent have a forum that is unmoderated and it is stipulated in the forum description as such and that you enter at your own risk as there are no rules. Seems to work out there, but I understand that isn't what the goal is here.

[MtnBrewer]

I think if most of the flounces can be attributed to the Political and Religious threads, then separating them out into a sub-forum of the PH might make sense.

Well first of all let me say that I don't have a huge problem with people weeping as long as the environment here is what we set out to make it. Scott and George and I sort of had an idea of what we wanted it to be like and if we have remained true to that then if certain people don't like that environment I don't feel like we should bend over backwards to talk them into staying. On the other hand, if things have gotten and hostile and that's why people want to leave, then that's certainly a problem and needs to be addressed. I'm not sure a new forum is the solution however.Second, certain people are political addicts. You know who I'm talking about. They will politicize any thread. FPB was a good example of this...maybe the worst...but we still have some members who like to bend any topic to the political side. So what do you do with a topic that starts out non-political and then becomes political? Which forum does it belong in?Third, if politics is your kryptonite, stay out of the political threads. I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who know they're going to get butthurt if they visit a certain thread and then they do anyway. I don't think we're here to save people from themselves.Finally, as this thread demonstrates, some people can't post in the correct forum anyway. So that just means that the mods will spend more time moving threads around. We don't mind modding but that just seems like modding for the sake of modding. It doesn't add any value to the board.

A couple of other beer making forums I frequent have a forum that is unmoderated and it is stipulated in the forum description as such and that you enter at your own risk as there are no rules. Seems to work out there, but I understand that isn't what the goal is here.

That's more or less Teh Lifeboat. There are lots of threads that get posted here that really would play better over there and I think more members here should take advantage of that forum for that type of free-for-all and asshatery. That's why BBM set it up so make use of it. I'm not trying to kick people out but if that's the kind of thing you want to do, why not go over there rather than have to fight the more restrictive rules over here?

[ThroatwobblerMangrove]

On the other hand, if things have gotten and hostile and that's why people want to leave, then that's certainly a problem and needs to be addressed.

I feel like there is pretty much always at least one of these threads that is active at any given time. Probably about one a week seems at risk for inducing weep.

[MtnBrewer]

I feel like there is pretty much always at least one of these threads that is active at any given time. Probably about one a week seems at risk for inducing weep.

Again, minimization of the risk of weeping is not the goal here. The goal is to create an environment where we all are free to share our views and we treat each other with respect. If you see a thread where that's not happening and you feel somebody has crossed the line, report it. On the other hand if there's somebody that just gets on your last nerve, ignore them.

[ThroatwobblerMangrove]

Again, minimization of the risk of weeping is not the goal here. The goal is to create an environment where we all are free to share our views and we treat each other with respect. If you see a thread where that's not happening and you feel somebody has crossed the line, report it. On the other hand if there's somebody that just gets on your last nerve, ignore them.

Most of the time I view weeping as an indicator that perhaps things are getting a little too hostile.

[MtnBrewer]

Most of the time I view weeping as an indicator that perhaps things are getting a little too hostile.

I don't disagree with that but my point is that weeping in and of itself is not the problem we should be trying to solve. weeping can be a good thing. Also, the mods can only do so much. We don't want to become censors and we don't want to be overly draconian in the enforcement of the rules. We'd prefer that people simply not act like douches. If you apply yourself, there's a lot of douchebaggery you can accomplish that is fully within the rules and in the past some folks have gotten quite good at it. I think that's one major source of the hostility and a new forum isn't going to address that problem.

[LibraAle]

Speaking of weeping, after Weave split, wasn't a new rule (or a new interpretation of an old rule) announced that prohibited insulting discussions of religions? I don't say this to suggest that Tankard's posts should be censored---I don't---but I'm just thinking about whether a double standard has evolved whereby Islam is fair game for hostile discussion and insults whereas the same kind of talk about other religions is prohibited "by law," so to speak. Even if you think that Islam is a worse religion than others, that's no reason to think that the board should have different rules for it than for, say, Christianity.