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[Genesee Ted]

I know they are new, but it seems like a lot of these pure EVs have the potential to last a lot longer than ICE cars. Less expensive maintenance as well as potentially a cheaper, more efficient fuel source. Makes the higher price tag more understandable. Idk tho, just speculation.

[positiveContact]

I know they are new, but it seems like a lot of these pure EVs have the potential to last a lot longer than ICE cars. Less expensive maintenance as well as potentially a cheaper, more efficient fuel source. Makes the higher price tag more understandable. Idk tho, just speculation.

Actually borderline more expensive to operate here because our electricity is so expensive. If gas prices go way up that will change though.

[Enid Puceflange]

I know they are new, but it seems like a lot of these pure EVs have the potential to last a lot longer than ICE cars. Less expensive maintenance as well as potentially a cheaper, more efficient fuel source. Makes the higher price tag more understandable. Idk tho, just speculation.

This is one of the main drivers for the last mile commercial delivery sector - see the e-Transit, the new Mercedes delivery van etc etc.

 

I'm in the UK right now and the Post Office delivery vehicles are all electric now...same with supermarket food delivery.

[3rd party JKor]

I know they are new, but it seems like a lot of these pure EVs have the potential to last a lot longer than ICE cars. Less expensive maintenance as well as potentially a cheaper, more efficient fuel source. Makes the higher price tag more understandable. Idk tho, just speculation.

 

I don't know if the durability of the components will be any better than an ICE vehicle but there *are* far less components so there are far fewer mechanical failure modes (which tend to be the very costly ones to deal with).  Maintenance should be much cheaper.  

[positiveContact]

This is one of the main drivers for the last mile commercial delivery sector - see the e-Transit, the new Mercedes delivery van etc etc.

 

I'm in the UK right now and the Post Office delivery vehicles are all electric now...same with supermarket food delivery.

 

I keep reading comments on these that people want to make them into camper vans.  that sounds pretty awful given the current ranges and charging times.  you want to have to stop for 30-60 minutes every 250miles?  that's going to be a slow road trip.

[porter]

I don't know if the durability of the components will be any better than an ICE vehicle but there *are* far less components so there are far fewer mechanical failure modes (which tend to be the very costly ones to deal with). Maintenance should be much cheaper.

I wonder how much real world difference that will make, though. It's pretty common now to get to 10 years/150k with only fluid changes, brakes, serpentine belt, spark plugs, tires, maybe suspension if people notice. Electric vehicles share most of those. Yeah, you could have a failed head gasket but that's not that common. After 150k, ICEs start to show a lot more problems but that's also when the battery will have deteriorated significantly on a BEV under likely real world conditions.

[positiveContact]

I wonder how much real world difference that will make, though. It's pretty common now to get to 10 years/150k with only fluid changes, brakes, serpentine belt, spark plugs, tires, maybe suspension if people notice. Electric vehicles share most of those. Yeah, you could have a failed head gasket but that's not that common. After 150k, ICEs start to show a lot more problems but that's also when the battery will have deteriorated significantly on a BEV under likely real world conditions.

 

I think what's artificially making ICE still make sense is that buying gas does not fully encapsulate the full cost of burning it.

[porter]

I think what's artificially making ICE still make sense is that buying gas does not fully encapsulate the full cost of burning it.

Sure, but until and if that is addressed specifically, most people will look most closely at how this affects their pocketbook.

[positiveContact]

Sure, but until and if that is addressed specifically, most people will look most closely at how this affects their pocketbook.

Definitely.

[dondewey]

I wonder how much real world difference that will make, though. It's pretty common now to get to 10 years/150k with only fluid changes, brakes, serpentine belt, spark plugs, tires, maybe suspension if people notice. Electric vehicles share most of those. Yeah, you could have a failed head gasket but that's not that common. After 150k, ICEs start to show a lot more problems but that's also when the battery will have deteriorated significantly on a BEV under likely real world conditions.

I think it's only really tires and suspension. But those will probably be worse due to the extra weight.

[davelew]

I wonder how much real world difference that will make, though. It's pretty common now to get to 10 years/150k with only fluid changes, brakes, serpentine belt, spark plugs, tires, maybe suspension if people notice. Electric vehicles share most of those. Yeah, you could have a failed head gasket but that's not that common. After 150k, ICEs start to show a lot more problems but that's also when the battery will have deteriorated significantly on a BEV under likely real world conditions.

 

ICE cars need maintenance every 3K to 7.5K miles.  BEV cars need maintenance every 20K to 40K miles (tires, brakes, coolant flush).

[porter]

I think it's only really tires and suspension. But those will probably be worse due to the extra weight.

Those are the big ones though. Belt and spark plugs are once or twice in life of vehicle. Davelew, yes oil changes (more typically every 10k now), but that is cheap and fast. Not a big deal. Do it yourself, or if not inclined, not a bad idea to have a quick once over of any vehicle 1-2 times a year.

[3rd party JKor]

I keep reading comments on these that people want to make them into camper vans.  that sounds pretty awful given the current ranges and charging times.  you want to have to stop for 30-60 minutes every 250miles?  that's going to be a slow road trip.

 

Why are you in such a hurry?

[dondewey]

ICE cars need maintenance every 3K to 7.5K miles. BEV cars need maintenance every 20K to 40K miles (tires, brakes, coolant flush).

I expect the brakes on my Maverick hybrid to be lifetime - aren't EV's even more regeny?

[positiveContact]

I expect the brakes on my Maverick hybrid to be lifetime - aren't EV's even more regeny?

 

they have more ability to be regeny with a larger battery.

[3rd party JKor]

Today Tesla officially announced it will be opening part of its fast charging network to non-Tesla EVs. They press release i saw said 7500 by 2024. I think that’s about 1/3rd of their total supercharger network.

[DieselGopher]

Ford halts F150 lightning production

https://finance.yaho...-124301311.html

[DownEastBrewer]

Why are you in such a hurry?

Some of us drive from place to place as part of our job? I drove Monday 300 miles north and stopped for ~5 minutes to fill the tank about 2 hours in, and then again an hour later for ~10 minutes to eat cold leftovers for lunch. The whole 'everyone stops every 2 hours for 30 minutes anyways' argument doesn't fly with many business folks' vehicle use.

Also, re:op, guess I've been lucky with my '18 Subaru at 155k with 1 set of brakes and oil changes every 6k

[dondewey]

Some of us drive from place to place as part of our job? I drove Monday 300 miles north and stopped for ~5 minutes to fill the tank about 2 hours in, and then again an hour later for ~10 minutes to eat cold leftovers for lunch. The whole 'everyone stops every 2 hours for 30 minutes anyways' argument doesn't fly with many business folks' vehicle use.

Also, re:op, guess I've been lucky with my '18 Subaru at 155k with 1 set of brakes and oil changes every 6k

I've seen a bunch of companies buy fleet Mavericks. I got 550 miles on my last tank.

[DownEastBrewer]

I've seen a bunch of companies buy fleet Mavericks. I got 550 miles on my last tank.

I average 500-525 per tank on the legacy; I had left the office with a touch over 1/4 of a tank.

500 mile range on an ev is when it'll match my personal use case.