105 replies to this topic

[SnowMan]

Good input. We had the initial normal size soaker tub to start, as the fiancé wants to go up to her neck. Then we thought about switching to the big style tub but with no jets so we both could fit. Might go back to the original and get a hot tub if that’s what we’re after.

 

 

Thats our plan... hot tub on the deck in the next few years. 

[positiveContact]

OK, the way to compare water heaters is first hour delivery (which tells you how good it is at recovering from a huge draw) and UEF - these are both measurements that are defined so you can compare apples to apples. Generally you want higher numbers for both

 

Gas water heaters come in several flavors - the cheapest (basically a flue up the center of the tank) are predictably pretty poor in terms of efficiency. Vented have a fan, so need 120v power but are considerably better and have cooler exhaust so can be vented using PVC. Finally there are low NOX models that are required in some areas that produce low emissions of nitrogen oxides. That orange haze you see over Denver in the winter as you land at the airport? Nitrogen Dioxide, very nasty stuff.

 

Electric water heaters have the same numbers - first hour and UEF - and yeah, we (the manufacturer) care DEEPLY about these numbers and we do epic stuff to make them better....

 

The issue with heat pump water heaters is that the first hour delivery is poor - the rate of heating is low compared to a regular heating element, BUT they are usually about 300% to 400% efficient so if you can avoid draining them right down they are great.

 

The absolute cat's miaow is a 65 or 80 gallon heat pump with a mixing valve where the tank runs at 160F and the hot water gets mixed with cold to give you HUGE capacity........

 

even my gas hot water heater has a mixing valve on the output side.  I thought this was typical.

[porter]

I would much rather have a hot tub then a soaker tub.

[Kremer]

Thats our plan... hot tub on the deck in the next few years.

I’ll wait for that to visit the compound.

[Julius H Gardetto]

I would much rather have a hot tub then a soaker tub.

The fiancé takes several baths a week. She wants a soaker tub, that’s her call.

Think we are leaning towards two 50 gallon electric to start. The gas would take a long time to recoup efficiency costs vs install costs.

[DieselGopher]

Get the heat pump electric then

[SnowMan]

I’ll wait for that to visit the compound.

Might be a bit...

Let me know next time you're up and need to kill some time.

[positiveContact]

so I think I've been mislead by the internet on what my electricity costs.  yes the supply side is $0.2256/kwh.  but then there are seemingly delivery charges that are also per kwh used.  this kicks the total rate to $0.315/kwh.  is this correct?  if so it makes zero financial sense for me to not just replace with another natural gas hot water heater.

[Julius H Gardetto]

Dang man, can you shop your electric? That seems crazzzzyyyy high.

[positiveContact]

Dang man, can you shop your electric? That seems crazzzzyyyy high.

 

I can but I question in the long run if you actually save because to get lower rates you need to lock in for a year or more.

[Julius H Gardetto]

I’m sure it’s in the fine print. At that price, I’d be looking into it.

I mean, you always strike me as a frugal cat! To not look into that seems like stepping over dollars to pick up nickels.

[positiveContact]

I’m sure it’s in the fine print. At that price, I’d be looking into it.

I mean, you always strike me as a frugal cat! To not look into that seems like stepping over dollars to pick up nickels.

 

I assume the savings aren't that great because why would I get something for nothing?  if it seems to good too be true.. etc.

 

We are talking something like $20 a month, maybe!  So right now I might save that $20 a month but I'd be locked in for a year or more.  If the rates go down (mine are actually about to) I'm still locked in.  it makes me question if it's worth the hassle which aligns with my earlier "you don't get something for nothing" statement.

Edited by postSingularityHumanoid, 29 January 2023 - 11:33 AM.

[positiveContact]

https://www.energy.n...asked-questions

If I choose a competitive energy supplier, am I guaranteed to save money?

No, there is no guarantee that buying your electricity from a competitive energy supplier will save you money. While many New Hampshire residents decide to choose a competitive energy supplier based on price, others choose a competitive energy supplier that offers a greater investment in renewable energy supply. Regardless of why you decide to choose, before you shop for a new competitive electric energy supplier, do your homework. Remember to keep track of any contract end date and re-evaluate your options before the contract ends to make sure you get the best price. Many consumers who choose a competitive supplier forget to keep track of when their contract ends and, as a result, may pay more than they would if they switched to another competitive energy supplier or utility default energy service.

[Julius H Gardetto]

Sure. All I’m saying is do your due diligence. Throwing your hands up and saying oh well before then is foolhardy.

And you might be right on the $20 thing, but I pay half that effective rate.

[positiveContact]

Sure. All I’m saying is do your due diligence. Throwing your hands up and saying oh well before then is foolhardy.

And you might be right on the $20 thing, but I pay half that effective rate.

https://www.energy.n...oice=Eversource

[Julius H Gardetto]

Interesting. There’s one for $.14/kWh good for 5 months

[positiveContact]

Interesting. There’s one for $.14/kWh good for 5 months

Yeah, that's a new one as of a couple of days ago. I think I last looked in early January and best price was about $0.17. Still need to add $0.10-0.11/kWh for delivery. Still, not too bad.

This is essentially like playing the stock market. Will the Eversource price drop in the next month even lower then that? Not sure how I could know.

Edited by postSingularityHumanoid, 29 January 2023 - 02:57 PM.

[positiveContact]

Actually I'm wrong on that, Eversource says it will be $.20 through July. Huh... Maybe worth switching. I'll have to dig into the fine print.

Still not in heat pump water heater price land I don't think.

Edited by postSingularityHumanoid, 29 January 2023 - 03:00 PM.

[Julius H Gardetto]

Lol, not quite.

[positiveContact]

Lol, not quite.

 

closer is better than nothing!