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#61 TonyBrown

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 08:50 AM

There have been a few people who saw the same thing on the Lightning, indicating it may have 400+ mile real world range but I did see one counter point to that which seemed very reasonable.  If they had just ported the Mach-E interface to the demo Lightnings then it may be confused about the range capability due to a much larger battery.  I can understand if Ford sandbagged a little on the predicted range, like saying their target was 300 and the actual EPA range was 310 or 320 but sandbagging 25% doesn't make sense.

 

 

I have a day 1 reservation for the Lightning so I can get one of the first trucks off the line but I would jump over to a Rivian if the price was right and I thought I could get it in a reasonable amount of time.  As of now I don't think I'd get a Lightning until middle of next year, at the earliest.  Definitely could be end of year or later depending on production ramp up.  I don't know what kind of order backlog the Rivian has.  Looks like they are asking for $1000 for a pre-order so the line probably has less fence-sitters than the F150 line.

ford has sandbagged their HP ratings on the mustangs as well so it's not unprecedented for them to do similar.  for instance, they claimed the gt350 made 526hp but real world dyno's (many different ones) have them making more like 580-590hp.


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 09:00 AM

ford has sandbagged their HP ratings on the mustangs as well so it's not unprecedented for them to do similar.  for instance, they claimed the gt350 made 526hp but real world dyno's (many different ones) have them making more like 580-590hp.

 

That's not like the diff between 300 and 400mi in EV range.  And it's only 10% not 25%.


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 09:09 AM

That's not like the diff between 300 and 400mi in EV range.  And it's only 10% not 25%.

numbers are what they are, we dont have 'real' numbers on the lightning yet, only a factory claim of 'over 300' so we dont know what the lightnings actual numbers are, the gt350 numbers are real.  i'm simply saying ford has done the understating thing in the very recent past.  another example, the almighty gt500 is claimed to have 760hp by the factory, real world dynos have it making ~825hp.  again, only about 10% but the point is that ford is understating things in a significant manner.  it is possible they are doing similar to the EV, real world will tell all in a year when they hit the market.


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 09:18 AM

Maybe the dyno guys are overstating drivetrain loss. :)
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Posted 15 September 2021 - 09:20 AM

Maybe the dyno guys are overstating drivetrain loss. :)

there are pretty well accepted numbers that the industry uses for that.  the rule is about 15% for standard RWD vehicles, add 1-2% more for IRS


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 09:22 AM

Dynos are pretty easy to fudge in a number of ways.


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 09:26 AM

Dynos are pretty easy to fudge in a number of ways.

sure, so are factory claims and range ratings


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 09:46 AM

Until I can get towing specs, range and fast charging while going across country pulling our camper that compares to my fossil fuel burner, I’m out of any EV game. I certainly cant see dropping the kind of money these EV trucks for a local HD run. Which at this point is all they can do.
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Posted 15 September 2021 - 10:57 AM

I'm telling you.  Until you feel that kind of torque from an EV you have no idea.  

 

I was driving my buddy's Model Y the other day... holy hell that instant torque is... interesting... lol


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 11:26 AM

I do like that the Rivian is smaller, it's in between a compact pickup and a half-ton which I think is a good sweet spot for a daily driver truck.  I recently drove a 1/2 ton truck for the first time in a while (Silverado).  I found it annoyingly large, felt way bigger and more unwieldy that my last 1/2 ton which was a '97 F150.  Maybe it's just the Silverado.  The EV trucks will probably sit lower and have far better handling than the gassers which should help.  


I was driving my buddy's Model Y the other day... holy hell that instant torque is... interesting... lol

 

My Bolt will chirp the tires at 40mph if I stab the accelerator.


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 11:27 AM

I do like that the Rivian is smaller, it's in between a compact pickup and a half-ton which I think is a good sweet spot for a daily driver truck.  I recently drove a 1/2 ton truck for the first time in a while (Silverado).  I found it annoyingly large, felt way bigger and more unwieldy that my last 1/2 ton which was a '97 F150.  Maybe it's just the Silverado.  The EV trucks will probably sit lower and have far better handling than the gassers which should help.  

trucks have gotten larger, the latest round of 'compact' trucks are all as big or bigger than the first gen Tundra 1/2ton and even the 80's and early 90's 1/2tons.  


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 11:30 AM

trucks have gotten larger, the latest round of 'compact' trucks are all as big or bigger than the first gen Tundra 1/2ton and even the 80's and early 90's 1/2tons.  

 

I drove a 2021 Ranger XLT a few months ago.  I think it's a pretty decent size.  Not as big as my '97 F-150 but probably pretty darn close to my '88.


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 11:42 AM

I drove a 2021 Ranger XLT a few months ago.  I think it's a pretty decent size.  Not as big as my '97 F-150 but probably pretty darn close to my '88.

right so maybe even bigger than first gen tundra which I dont think was any bigger than a dodge dakota, we often called the first gen tundra a 7/8th sized truck


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 11:51 AM

Yeah, the first Tundra was smallish.  I would say it's close to the current compacts.  The old school compacts were legitimately small.


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 11:55 AM

Yeah, the first Tundra was smallish.  I would say it's close to the current compacts.  The old school compacts were legitimately small.

yes, they certainly were.  I remember my dad had an old datsun truck, that thing was tiny.

 

pretty much this but not in that good of condition

 

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Posted 15 September 2021 - 11:56 AM

I do like that the Rivian is smaller, it's in between a compact pickup and a half-ton which I think is a good sweet spot for a daily driver truck. I recently drove a 1/2 ton truck for the first time in a while (Silverado). I found it annoyingly large, felt way bigger and more unwieldy that my last 1/2 ton which was a '97 F150. Maybe it's just the Silverado. The EV trucks will probably sit lower and have far better handling than the gassers which should help.


My Bolt will chirp the tires at 40mph if I stab the accelerator.


The fun thing about the Rivian is you can adjust the ride height to adapt to terrain conditions. So with the push of a button you get a lift.
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Posted 15 September 2021 - 11:57 AM

The fun thing about the Rivian is you can adjust the ride height to adapt to terrain conditions. So with the push of a button you get a lift.

digital viagra :P


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 01:18 PM

The fun thing about the Rivian is you can adjust the ride height to adapt to terrain conditions. So with the push of a button you get a lift.

 

How soon can you get me one?


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Posted 15 September 2021 - 01:19 PM

How soon can you get me one?


Call a guide and ask them. See what info they give you. I’m kinda interested to see what they say.
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Posted 15 September 2021 - 01:25 PM

How soon can you get me one?


Yea, that would be interesting. The website says pre-orders are full.
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