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#21 Stains_not_here_man

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 07:13 AM

Less expensive than I would have expected.
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Posted 11 October 2020 - 07:43 AM

Less expensive than I would have expected.

 

battery tech keeps getting cheaper is a big part of it I'm guessing.


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Posted 11 October 2020 - 07:57 AM

You can spend tons of money if you want. Rad Bikes is definitely value oriented. The model we're looking at is single speed, hub drive, cable disc brakes which all bring down the cost but should make for a reliable utility bike, I think.

The battery is almost half the cost of the bike. Replacement is $549. But I'd expect the battery to last 5+ years if well maintained.
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 05:55 AM

You can spend tons of money if you want. Rad Bikes is definitely value oriented. The model we're looking at is single speed, hub drive, cable disc brakes which all bring down the cost but should make for a reliable utility bike, I think.

The battery is almost half the cost of the bike. Replacement is $549. But I'd expect the battery to last 5+ years if well maintained.

 

I can't tell exactly but if I compare the bike I bought on bikesdirect to a similar looking bike they sell that's an ebike it looks like the ebike added about $2K.  My bike was $2K, ebike is $4K.  that would be a pretty crazy ebike though.  full suspension mountain bike with electric assist.  I'm not sure who would want that as it seems to cross too many boundaries of use.


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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:27 AM

Yeah, I like the idea of an e-bike for transportation, but wouldn't want one for a recreational device probably until I'm 60+.
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:35 AM

How much weight does the e part add?
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:38 AM

Those Rad Bikes are about 70-75 pounds. You need the e-assist to get anywhere. The company is clear that their bikes are meant to augment or replace your car, not your bike.

Some of the more expensive bikes or those really meant for trail riding with a mid drive motor can be in the 50 pound range.
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:40 AM

Oof! That would kind of kill the fun of trail riding trying to move that through tight spots.

On the rad bike obviously less of an issue.
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:48 AM

Yeah, doesn't appeal to me at this point. I accept that at some point I'll get slower on my mountain bike as I get older. I'm not completely opposed to e-bikes on trails but they should be reserved for the elderly or those with some sort of medical disability, and total power output should be limited to that of a reasonably good rider. Lately I've had a few overweight/obese twentysomethings sail past me on singletrack on their e-bikes (which they shouldn't be doing anyway), and I can only think they should be working harder on losing weight and building fitness. I'm sure many would consider that judgy.
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:49 AM

At what point does it make more sense to get a scooter or motorcycle?
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:54 AM

Yeah, doesn't appeal to me at this point. I accept that at some point I'll get slower on my mountain bike as I get older. I'm not completely opposed to e-bikes on trails but they should be reserved for the elderly or those with some sort of medical disability, and total power output should be limited to that of a reasonably good rider. Lately I've had a few overweight/obese twentysomethings sail past me on singletrack on their e-bikes (which they shouldn't be doing anyway), and I can only think they should be working harder on losing weight and building fitness. I'm sure many would consider that judgy.

 

how does someone fit around you on a singletrack trail?


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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:54 AM

Guess it depends on the length of the commute and how fast you need to go. E-bikes are quieter, less polluting and less maintenance if the range and speed are compatible with your needs. You don't need to deal with gasoline. You also can get some exercise of which you control the intensity, i.e. use a lot of assist on the way to work so you're not too sweaty, pedal harder on the way home.

Edited by porter, 14 October 2020 - 07:58 AM.

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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:58 AM

Guess it depends on the length of the commute and how fast you need to go. E-bikes are quieter, less polluting and less maintenance if the range and speed are compatible with your needs. You don't need to deal with gasoline.

 

agree there.  they also aren't subject to the same rules and regulations as far as I know.  I think most are limited to around 30mph of electric assist though.


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Posted 14 October 2020 - 07:59 AM

I think it's 20 mph for the most part.
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 08:03 AM

I think it's 20 mph for the most part.


My very limited research says that is often the case but not always.
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 08:04 AM

how does someone fit around you on a singletrack trail?


They get behind you and ask to pass and you move off the trail.

Edited by porter, 14 October 2020 - 08:04 AM.

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Posted 14 October 2020 - 08:07 AM

Ha! That is pretty annoying. If they can go that much faster than you perhaps they should dial back the assist??
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 08:23 AM

I'm a fairly slow climber, so people ask to pass me more often then I pass others. My internal reaction is typically admiration. It's hard not to be annoyed when someone younger than you is passing you using an electric motor, even if it were allowed (which it is not).
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Posted 14 October 2020 - 12:47 PM

At what point does it make more sense to get a scooter or motorcycle?

With a e-bike, you don't have to have license, registration or insurance.

I'd look into one if my work commute was 10 miles or less.


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Posted 14 October 2020 - 12:50 PM

With a e-bike, you don't have to have license, registration or insurance.
I'd look into one if my work commute was 10 miles or less.

I have a less than five mile commute. I've considered various options but in the end it's such a short distance why bother? I could drive something incredibly inefficient and it wouldn't matter.

What if it rains? I need to suddenly pick up the kids? On top of that we don't have very wide shoulders on the roads and a lot of people are bad drivers.

Edited by Mando, 14 October 2020 - 12:53 PM.

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