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#1 43hertz

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Posted 11 January 2020 - 04:28 PM

https://www.mediaite...-the-beginning/

I know why his detractors want him banned on Twitter. He's effectively and efficiently weaponized a media outlet.
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#2 Stout_fan

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Posted 13 January 2020 - 08:25 PM

Well, Nancy needs to add "weaponized a media outlet" to "obstructed congress". That might fly in the senate.


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#3 EWW

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 05:45 AM

Having worked with Iranian refugees in the past, his decreased support of refugee programs does not line up with his claims of supporting them from day one.
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Posted 14 January 2020 - 06:52 AM

Having worked with Iranian refugees in the past, his decreased support of refugee programs does not line up with his claims of supporting them from day one.

The goal isn't to take people out of a bad situation. It's to stop the bad situation from happening in the first place. Instead of fleeing, the world will be better off if people stay and fight for improvements.


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Posted 14 January 2020 - 06:54 AM

The goal isn't to take people out of a bad situation. It's to stop the bad situation from happening in the first place. Instead of fleeing, the world will be better off if people stay and fight for improvements.

 

The world will only be better off if the people win the fight for improvement.  Losing a fight is rarely very helpful to your cause.


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#6 BlackBeerd

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 06:58 AM

The world will only be better off if the people win the fight for improvement.  Losing a fight is rarely very helpful to your cause.

Supporting those who fight is a good cause. Support for the refugees encourages the quitters.


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#7 davelew

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 07:08 AM

Supporting those who fight is a good cause. Support for the refugees encourages the quitters.

 

In some cases that may be true.

 

In other cases, people fighting against overwhelming odds aren't going to sin anything.  Supporting refugees and giving them training in how to win and how to create a civil society after victory will have better results in the end, at least in certain cases.


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Posted 14 January 2020 - 07:35 AM

In some cases that may be true.

 

In other cases, people fighting against overwhelming odds aren't going to sin anything.  Supporting refugees and giving them training in how to win and how to create a civil society after victory will have better results in the end, at least in certain cases.

I can't think of any examples of when you had a mass exodus of people who later returned to effect change of what they ran from in the first place. 


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#9 miccullen

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 08:17 AM

Supporting those who fight is a good cause. Support for the refugees encourages the quitters.

our track record on picking "good causes" to support is atrocious


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Posted 14 January 2020 - 08:22 AM

I can't think of any examples of when you had a mass exodus of people who later returned to effect change of what they ran from in the first place. 

 

I can't think of any tyrant who was overthrown where that was NOT the case.  Behind every successful toppling of a dictator, there's always a government in exile and immigrants returning.  Ukraine, Tunisia, hell even France in WWII with DeGaulle.


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#11 Trub L

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 09:08 AM

I can't think of any examples of when you had a mass exodus of people who later returned to effect change of what they ran from in the first place.

Isn't that exactly what happened when we bombed Iraq?

You don't see any snakes offering up apples there any more, do you?
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#12 Dave

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 09:31 AM

I can't think of any tyrant who was overthrown where that was NOT the case. 

 

Tsar Nicholas?

Mussolini?

Ceausescu?


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Posted 14 January 2020 - 09:41 AM

An exiled government or known leaders is a whole different ballgame then a mass of poor peasants. 


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