You're a mega dry hopper. Seen this yet?
https://patspints.co...om-shellhammer/
Posted 18 January 2019 - 02:54 PM
Posted 18 January 2019 - 03:31 PM
Posted 18 January 2019 - 05:34 PM
what about if I'm doing multiple rounds of dry hopping? ??? this is timely.
Posted 18 January 2019 - 08:14 PM
what about if I'm doing multiple rounds of dry hopping? ??? this is timely.
Posted 19 January 2019 - 05:32 AM
I guess it depends on the type of hopping and end goal. I find ddh different than a biotransform addition along with a second larger addition. For me, a ddh beer (double dry hop) will have two equal doses one towards the end of fermentation and one more a few days after where the other has a small dose right as fermentation begins and a larger one at the end. Both types may have the same weight of hops but the final beer is different.
right but does this all count towards the ~1oz/gal dry hopping rate?
If I were to put 4oz in the primary (10 gal) would that mean I generally shouldn't be hopping more than 3oz per 5 gal keg? (total 1oz/gal overall)
if the worst thing was just wasting a little bit of hops okay. but if hopping too much actually starts to mess up the beer.... well that would be sad.
Edited by pickle_rick, 19 January 2019 - 05:37 AM.
Posted 19 January 2019 - 06:44 AM
right but does this all count towards the ~1oz/gal dry hopping rate?
If I were to put 4oz in the primary (10 gal) would that mean I generally shouldn't be hopping more than 3oz per 5 gal keg? (total 1oz/gal overall)
if the worst thing was just wasting a little bit of hops okay. but if hopping too much actually starts to mess up the beer.... well that would be sad.
The early hops are similar to a WP addition. You actually will see a biotransform effect from the oils left in the wort from a large WP. I would do the real (second) dh at the 1-1.5g/oz dosage.
Posted 19 January 2019 - 07:38 AM
The early hops are similar to a WP addition. You actually will see a biotransform effect from the oils left in the wort from a large WP. I would do the real (second) dh at the 1-1.5g/oz dosage.
good to know. reworking dry hopping schedule...
Posted 19 January 2019 - 09:54 AM
what about if I'm doing multiple rounds of dry hopping? ??? this is timely.
may not have much value
I guess it depends on the type of hopping and end goal. I find ddh different than a biotransform addition along with a second larger addition. For me, a ddh beer (double dry hop) will have two equal doses one towards the end of fermentation and one more a few days after where the other has a small dose right as fermentation begins and a larger one at the end. Both types may have the same weight of hops but the final beer is different.
FWIW, Shellhammer says there is no biotransformation.
Posted 19 January 2019 - 10:11 AM
may not have much value
FWIW, Shellhammer says there is no biotransformation.
so the reports of primary dry hopping bringing something different to the table are incorrect? or is something other than biotransformation going on?
Posted 19 January 2019 - 10:19 AM
so the reports of primary dry hopping bringing something different to the table are incorrect? or is something other than biotransformation going on?
Posted 19 January 2019 - 11:29 AM
My personal theory is that it is something else. I can get those flavors by dry hopping a beer after setting a chill haze at low temp. The downside is that you will lose them if you warm the beer and the haze goes away.so the reports of primary dry hopping bringing something different to the table are incorrect? or is something other than biotransformation going on?
Posted 19 January 2019 - 12:42 PM
may not have much value
FWIW, Shellhammer says there is no biotransformation.
Posted 19 January 2019 - 02:35 PM
so the reports of primary dry hopping bringing something different to the table are incorrect? or is something other than biotransformation going on?
According to Shellhammer, there is no such thing as biotransformation
So the Sabaro research was wrong? Thought that is where it came from. I think it is only related to certain yeast and I feel that it can muddle the hops at times.
Based on personal communication with him, all I can say is that he thinks of biotransformation as sketchy. And that's not a very good description of his thoughts. I hope to get him on the podcast.
Posted 19 January 2019 - 03:40 PM
Posted 19 January 2019 - 04:54 PM
What the hell is biotransformation?
Posted 19 January 2019 - 05:04 PM
When hops are added during active fermentation to achieve flavors those hops do not produce when active yeast is not present.What the hell is biotransformation?
Edited by drez77, 19 January 2019 - 05:05 PM.
Posted 20 January 2019 - 11:37 AM
I can tell you that Shellhamer's work has got me rethinking dry hopping in the keg.
Posted 20 January 2019 - 01:42 PM
I can tell you that Shellhamer's work has got me rethinking dry hopping in the keg.
why?
Posted 20 January 2019 - 02:03 PM
why?
He seems to be saying that not on;ly can long dry hopping be needless, it can also be detrimental. Produces earthy flavors. Gotta read the article again.
Posted 20 January 2019 - 02:12 PM
When hops are added during active fermentation to achieve flavors those hops do not produce when active yeast is not present.
It is common foe brewing NE style beers.
It would only be biotransformation (according to the definition) if the hops caused a chemical alteration internally to the yeast cells during fermentation.
He seems to be saying that not on;ly can long dry hopping be needless, it can also be detrimental. Produces earthy flavors. Gotta read the article again.
Yeah, I could see that, but only if you leave the hops in the keg. I never could get myself to leave them in longer than a week or so.
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