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#1 ER Pemberton

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:26 AM

CLICK. I hope that link works for everyone. It caught my attention because this guy is a German and travels all over Germany posting about various beers and here he has something called an "amber helles" which is something I have never heard of before but it sounds righteous. I suppose it starts to encroach on the festbier and/or marzen and/or vienna territories but still. I could see me making an amber helles in the future.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:34 AM

Ooooh I could see making something like that too but what WOULD set it apart from a fest or marzen? More crystal? What dammit, what?
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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:54 AM

Ooooh I could see making something like that too but what WOULD set it apart from a fest or marzen? More crystal? What dammit, what?

I guess one spot would be a lower hopping rate as a festbier, marzen or vienna typically have a slightly higher hopping rate at least for me. With the lower hopping rate you would want to be careful with the crystal so you didn't have it finish TOO malty. I'm thinking Pilsner + Munich 2 plus a small amount of caramunich and then maybe a very small amount (maybe 1/2 ounce) of Carafa III. I might even add a smidge of calcium sulfate (not normal for me with a helles) just to ensure a crisp finish. Then I would hop it the same as I would for a helles... FWH + a 30m addition for a total of 20-22 IBUs or so. Yes, I'm making this up. :D

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 10:58 AM

Link not working for me. I think that's a private fb group so that may be why.
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Posted 08 May 2018 - 11:04 AM

Here we go...

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 12:08 PM

Low gravity marzen? I though the word helles translated (roughly) to something like "light color"?


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 12:11 PM

Low gravity marzen? I though the word helles translated (roughly) to something like "light color"?

Google tells me "Bright"


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I would just use a standard helles recipe and use maybe some Red x to get the color.  I do not think it would take much.  Not knowing much about this style I wonder if it is just like a black IPA where the color is changed but not much else.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 12:12 PM

Yeah, I thought helles meant "pale" and dunkel was "dark" or something along those lines. My guess is that if I went to that brewery and someone put that beer in front of me I would call it a marzen, oktoberfest(ish) or vienna.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 02:33 PM

Google tells me "Bright"


I would just use a standard helles recipe and use maybe some Red x to get the color.  I do not think it would take much.  Not knowing much about this style I wonder if it is just like a black IPA where the color is changed but not much else.

 

maybe red X instead of some of the munich and maybe a little carapils copper.


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Posted 08 May 2018 - 02:51 PM

maybe red X instead of some of the munich and maybe a little carapils copper.


Good call on the carapils copper!
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Posted 08 May 2018 - 04:21 PM

Amber helles... yuengling
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Posted 08 May 2018 - 04:26 PM

Amber helles... yuengling


No way the Germans make something that shitty!
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Posted 08 May 2018 - 06:10 PM

Amber helles... yuengling

I'll accept that but think of the potential if you used better hops than cascade and cluster and better yeast like Bayern.

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 06:20 PM

And you don't use rice extract and use all malt. I was just kidding. 


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#15 ER Pemberton

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Posted 08 May 2018 - 06:32 PM

And you don't use rice extract and use all malt. I was just kidding.

The thing is that there may be beers like this out there and I'm sure there are but I have never heard the term AMBER HELLES. I'm sure neddles is correct... it's a lower ABV marzenbier.

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 08:26 AM

I'll accept that but think of the potential if you used better hops than cascade and cluster and better yeast like Bayern.


I've never used cluster but is it not very good? Cascade seems like it would be fine for an American take on the style. It could almost be a snpl.
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#17 ER Pemberton

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Posted 09 May 2018 - 09:04 AM

Cluster is fine in a pinch but it's been around forever and many old-school breweries used it. It would be very, very low on my list of hops to use. Cascade is a wonderful hop but not for an amber lager, IMO. I like it in pale ales but would prefer something noble for an amber lager. Yunegling's yeast is supposedly 2035 American Lager. I have used it and it's fine but it's one of those "no soul" American lager strains that bring very little character to beer.


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