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#1 Breakpoint

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 02:57 PM

Looking to brew a NE PA this weekend and so far this is what I've put together, loosely based on this recipe:

 

HOME BREW RECIPE:
Title: New England IPA
Author: Breakpoint Brewery
 
Brew Method: All Grain
Style Name: American Pale Ale
Boil Time: 30 min
Batch Size: 6.5 gallons (ending kettle volume)
Boil Size: 7 gallons
Boil Gravity: 1.046
Efficiency: 80% (ending kettle)
 
 
STATS:
Original Gravity: 1.050
Final Gravity: 1.013
ABV (standard): 4.85%
IBU (tinseth): 76.63
SRM (morey): 3.77
 
FERMENTABLES:
5.6 lb - Canadian - Pale 2-Row (49.6%)
3.5 lb - United Kingdom - Golden Promise (31%)
2.2 lb - Rolled Oats (19.5%)
 
HOPS:
0.5 oz - Columbus, Type: Pellet, AA: 15, Use: First Wort, IBU: 19.19
0.5 oz - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Boil for 5 min, IBU: 3.77
0.5 oz - Equinox/Ekuanot, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.4, Use: Boil for 5 min, IBU: 4.04
0.5 oz - Simcoe, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.6, Use: Boil for 5 min, IBU: 4.1
1 oz - Equinox/Ekuanot, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.4, Use: Whirlpool for 30 min at 180 °F, IBU: 15.44
1 oz - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Whirlpool for 30 min at 180 °F, IBU: 14.4
1 oz - Simcoe, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.6, Use: Whirlpool for 30 min at 180 °F, IBU: 15.67
1 oz - Equinox/Ekuanot, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.4, Use: Dry Hop for 5 days (on day 2 of fermentation)
1 oz - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Dry Hop for 5 days (on day 2 of fermentation)
1 oz - Simcoe, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.6, Use: Dry Hop for 5 days (on day 2 of fermentation)
1 oz - Cryo Ekuanot, Type: Pellet, AA: 22.8, Use: Dry Hop for 30 days
1 oz - Cryo Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 24.1, Use: Dry Hop for 30 days
1 oz - Cryo Simcoe, Type: Pellet, AA: 23.8, Use: Dry Hop for 30 days
 
MASH GUIDELINES:
1) Infusion, Temp: 152 F, Time: 60 min
Starting Mash Thickness: 1.25 qt/lb
 
YEAST:
Wyeast - London Ale III 1318
Starter: Yes
Form: Liquid
Attenuation (avg): 73%
Flocculation: High
Optimum Temp: 64 - 74 F
Fermentation Temp: 65 F
Pitch Rate: 0.5 (M cells / ml / deg P)
 

The cryo hops are going to be keg hops which is why it has 30 days, but they'll be in there as long as I am drinking it. I've used cryo Citra in a Zombie dust clone as a keg hop and I really like the aroma I'm still getting from the beer a month into the keg. 

 

I just grabbed the Ekuanot hops during an order from Rite Brew and I'd like to try them out. I figured a NE PA seemed like a good beer to take a fruity hop for a spin. I'm just a little concerned that those plus Mosaic might be going overboard on the fruity hops. Of course, I've seen a lot more hops in the NE I/PA then what I have here. 

 

I build my water from distilled as I still need to get a water test, but I've got to install a new spigot outside before I do that. Anyway, I figure my profile will be similar to the one that Drez posted in his NE IPA thread.

 

Anyway, I'm going forward with this on Sunday, unless you talk me down, so let me know what you think.



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Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:41 PM

I think it needs something for body. Just my opinion of course. Crystal, cara something or other. I don't think the oatmeal alone can do the job.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:46 PM

It should be hazy and hoppy for sure. I like some carafoam or carapils in mine but that is up to you. I think it is a good starting point. I would start the 1318 at about 66-67. Good luck!

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 04:07 PM

I like it. It will be fruity. Equinox is a big hop and youll get a lot of it in that beer. I could be wrong but Ill say (contrary to Morty) that I think you'll be pretty good on body. Especially at 1.050 plus 1318 and that style. I also see your going with a 30 min boil... I think you'll be pleased if you have not yet tried that.

Edited by neddles, 26 October 2017 - 04:07 PM.


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Posted 26 October 2017 - 04:58 PM

1318 helps for sure but I think I just find a really hoppy beer like this either needs a lot of malt thrown at it or a little specially grain to help out. I'm thinking about bitter Galaxy with a British year and even with some crystal that is a fairly dry beer.

Edited by pickle_rick, 26 October 2017 - 04:58 PM.


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Posted 26 October 2017 - 05:00 PM

I actually do not find 1318 to add body to the beer. I find it giving good flavors and esters but not body.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 05:02 PM

I actually do not find 1318 to add body to the beer. I find it giving good flavors and esters but not body.


You might be right. I've only ever made strong ale, Porter and esb with it which all have a good amount of unfermentables in them.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 05:09 PM

Check out my bright idea pale ale. I'm drinking it right now and it's still pretty dry tasting despite the caravienne and oats.
Also disclaimer that recipe owes a lot to drez.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 05:11 PM

I dont think 1318 adds any body either. But IME it does leave some behind relative to some other yeasts by way of attenuation.

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 05:27 PM

It's really about what the op is going for. I think as is it will be a pure hop vehicle. If that's what he wants it will turn out great for him.

Edited by pickle_rick, 26 October 2017 - 05:27 PM.


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Posted 26 October 2017 - 06:03 PM

It's really about what the op is going for. I think as is it will be a pure hop vehicle. If that's what he wants it will turn out great for him.

Yep



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Posted 26 October 2017 - 06:30 PM

According to the guy whose recipe I referenced, he says he gets a ton of body with just oats and pale malt. I figured I'd add in some golden promise for a little more complexity to the malt bill.

I think I have a little carafoam or carspils that I could add in for body, but I do love me some hop bombs!

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 06:47 PM

Even with the cp or cf you will still have a hop bomb... Trust me!


Many around me have moved away from oats but I think you need to start with them and see what you like. That beer is inspired by tired hands and I thought they came out saying they use oat malt.

Edited by drez77, 26 October 2017 - 06:48 PM.


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:55 AM

Even with the cp or cf you will still have a hop bomb... Trust me!


Many around me have moved away from oats but I think you need to start with them and see what you like. That beer is inspired by tired hands and I thought they came out saying they use oat malt.

 

I'm not even sure why I put oats in my pale ale.  it's good and adds an interesting twist but not something I'll do every time I make this kind of style either.



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Posted 27 October 2017 - 09:53 AM

Ok, thanks for the input. I'm going to add a pound of carapils in there.

I might drop the whirlpool hops to 0.5 oz each - anyone think this is a bad idea?

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Posted 27 October 2017 - 09:55 AM

Ok, thanks for the input. I'm going to add a pound of carapils in there.

I might drop the whirlpool hops to 0.5 oz each - anyone think this is a bad idea?

I would not lower it personally.

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Posted 29 October 2017 - 09:43 AM

I like your use of the 1318 strain. I brewed a NE IPA 2 months ago and the feedback I got was that was a really good strain to add to the haziness of the beer. I never had a 60 min addition or any FWH too. Mine was hopped all from 15-0 mins in the boil. I hope it's a great beer day.... it'll be a hoppy beer. 



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Posted 29 October 2017 - 04:16 PM

I like your use of the 1318 strain. I brewed a NE IPA 2 months ago and the feedback I got was that was a really good strain to add to the haziness of the beer. I never had a 60 min addition or any FWH too. Mine was hopped all from 15-0 mins in the boil. I hope it's a great beer day.... it'll be a hoppy beer. 

 

Thanks.

 

I was hoping to brew today, but multiple sick kids and a sick wife forced me to call it off. I've rescheduled it for next weekend. I wasn't 100% sold on a only late hops beer, but I know NE I/PA shouldn't be bitter, so I like the idea of a FWH addition to balance things out.

 

I'm working hard to clear a tap so that I can get this on as fresh as possible!



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Posted 30 October 2017 - 06:15 AM

Seems like a good place to put this

 

Flaked wheat vs White Wheat in a NEIPA.  See - Flaked not needed :)

 

http://brulosophy.co...riment-results/



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Posted 15 November 2017 - 05:58 PM

My opinion is a little carapils wouldn't hurt on that OG, but not necessarily needed. I would up the mash temperature to around 156 though.




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