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[HVB]

To what part of the recipe/process do you attribute the haze and its persistence? Did you use kettle finings? Did you keep it colder than usual?

I use whirfloc in the kettle as normal.  I feel the haze is due to the dry hop addition early into fermentation and the interaction with the yeast.  I have had others start out hazy but clear towards the end when I have the dry hop added latter.  This beer was at the same temperature as all my beer.  I really think the early dryhop is key.  This beer also had no flaked grains in the mash.  I do not see flaked products needed for haze.

[matt6150]

I use whirfloc in the kettle as normal. I feel the haze is due to the dry hop addition early into fermentation and the interaction with the yeast. I have had others start out hazy but clear towards the end when I have the dry hop added latter. This beer was at the same temperature as all my beer. I really think the early dryhop is key. This beer also had no flaked grains in the mash. I do not see flaked products needed for haze.

Do you feel the mouthfeel changed without flaked grains?

[HVB]

Do you feel the mouthfeel changed without flaked grains?

This beer with the mixed yeast had the best mouthfeel of any of the NEIPAs I have made.  I will use 1450 for the next batch, that made the second favorite version, to compare.  More and more commercial brewers I talk to about this style have no flaked grains in their recipe.

[neddles]

I use whirfloc in the kettle as normal. I feel the haze is due to the dry hop addition early into fermentation and the interaction with the yeast. I have had others start out hazy but clear towards the end when I have the dry hop added latter. This beer was at the same temperature as all my beer. I really think the early dryhop is key. This beer also had no flaked grains in the mash. I do not see flaked products needed for haze.

Great info. Thanks for the reply.

What was the logic behind the mixed yeast on this one?

[positiveContact]

just noticing the 2lbs of carafoam for a 5 gal batch. it worked great for my last stout to hit it with the carafoam. would be interesting to try here as well...

[HVB]

Great info. Thanks for the reply.

What was the logic behind the mixed yeast on this one?

I know many successful breweries are using S-04 for this style fermented warmer. I have tried that but have not been happy where the fg ended up and found the resulting beer just ok. I knew that S-05 would get the fg there so I pitched both figuring it would be "beer" if it didn't work out. In the end it was great, one of my best imo. I plan to try it again using Windsor and S-05 on a future batch.

just noticing the 2lbs of carafoam for a 5 gal batch. it worked great for my last stout to hit it with the carafoam. would be interesting to try here as well...

I was worried using two pounds but it worked really well, I need to order more soon.

[neddles]

I know many successful breweries are using S-04 for this style fermented warmer. I have tried that but have not been happy where the fg ended up and found the resulting beer just ok. I knew that S-05 would get the fg there so I pitched both figuring it would be "beer" if it didn't work out. In the end it was great, one of my best imo. I plan to try it again using Windsor and S-05 on a future batch.
 

 

Got it, good stuff. Thanks again drez. One more question if you don't mind.... I just noticed your Cl was 61ppm.... did you still get the mouthfeel you wanted/are used to?

[HVB]

Got it, good stuff. Thanks again drez. One more question if you don't mind.... I just noticed your Cl was 61ppm.... did you still get the mouthfeel you wanted/are used to?

Better than what I am normally used to honestly.  It was "softer" than the APA I sent you a year or so back.  I think the carafoam, yeast mix and hop timing are what bring it out.  Nothing to back that up other than my gut.

[neddles]

Great, just what I wanted to know. Thanks.  Its been a little bit so I need to make another one of these soon.

[HVB]

Great, just what I wanted to know. Thanks.  Its been a little bit so I need to make another one of these soon.

Good luck once you get to it.

 

I think that my next one will be a no boil like Matt suggested.  I will add in 1 ounce each of Citra and Mosaic at 190 and then after 15 minutes add in 1 oz each of Citra and Mosaic luplin pellets and let that go for another 15-30 minutes.   This will most likley just be a 1.055 APA.

[matt6150]

Good luck once you get to it.

 

I think that my next one will be a no boil like Matt suggested.  I will add in 1 ounce each of Citra and Mosaic at 190 and then after 15 minutes add in 1 oz each of Citra and Mosaic luplin pellets and let that go for another 15-30 minutes.   This will most likley just be a 1.055 APA.

Curious why bring it to 190? I thought it was here were it was discussed not to bring it over 180 as that will tend to develop DMS. And keeping it under 180 DMS will not form? I thought I read that somewhere. I could be wrong. I didn't go over 172 with my no boil beers.

[HVB]

Curious why bring it to 190? I thought it was here were it was discussed not to bring it over 180 as that will tend to develop DMS. And keeping it under 180 DMS will not form? I thought I read that somewhere. I could be wrong. I didn't go over 172 with my no boil beers.

That is good information, thank you. I think I went to 180 last time and in another group someone mentioned that may not be high enough but did not provide any reasoning.  If you have had success with 172 I will give that a shot.

[matt6150]

I'm not sure why that wouldn't be high enough. At that point I don't see why it would make a difference from 180 to 190?

[matt6150]

I brewed something close to this today. Same grain bill, mash temp, boil time and yeast. Very close hop schedule but different hops. No Galaxy, mainly replaced with Eldorado. I will post my hop schedule soon when I have some more time.

[matt6150]

So this is what I ended up for hops. I was basically trying to use up some loose ends and also wanted to get something with Eldorado in it.

 

Hops

   Amount     Name                              Form    Alpha  IBU  Boil Time
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  0.50 oz.    Apollo                            Pellet  18.20  15.8  30 min.
  1.00 oz.    Columbus                          Pellet  16.00   9.1  5 min.
  1.00 oz.    Citra                             Pellet  13.20   0.0  0 min.
  1.00 oz.    Cascade                           Pellet   6.70   0.0  0 min.
  4.00 oz.    El Dorado                         Pellet  13.20   0.0  WP
  1.00 oz.    Columbus                          Pellet  15.80   0.0  WP
  1.00 oz.    Citra                             Pellet  13.20   0.0  WP
  1.00 oz.    Cascade                           Pellet   6.70   0.0  WP
  1.00 oz.    Citra                             Pellet  13.20   0.0  Dry Hop #1
  1.00 oz.    Mosaic                            Pellet  12.30   0.0  Dry Hop #1
  2.00 oz.    El Dorado                         Pellet  13.20   0.0  Dry Hop #1
  1.00 oz.    Citra                             Pellet  13.20   0.0  Dry Hop #2
  1.00 oz.    Mosaic                            Pellet  12.30   0.0  Dry Hop #2
  2.00 oz.    El Dorado                         Pellet  13.20   0.0  Dry Hop #2
 

[HVB]

Cool, I will be waiting to see how this come out. 

 

On a side note, how do you like El Dorado?  I used them once in a wheat with Chinook and something was off about that beer.  I plan to use them in a Hoppy Oat Pale Ale and mix them with Simcoe.

[matt6150]

I have only used Eldorado one other time and it was in this beer. It turned out really well and I plan to make it again once I get some more rye.

[matt6150]

This beer is delicious!!

[neddles]

Beautiful. Did you use the 05/04 mix or something else for yeast?

Edited by neddles, 31 December 2017 - 03:22 PM.

[HVB]

Looks good Matt!