Pale Ale base design
#1
Posted 07 December 2015 - 07:41 AM
I have a simple base recipe for when I make pale ales and I was wondering if you have a standard grain bill that you typically used with APA's, IPA's and the like.
My standard hits around 1.052, and I increase at the same percentages for bigger beers. I do sub out with stuff like Vienna or lower the 2 Row and increase the Munich or change the crystal etc... but the concept sorta remains the same.
10# 2 Row
1/2# each; Munich, White Wheat and crystal, usually 60.
To me this makes things very simple and holds a nice malty platform to experiment with different yeast and hop combinations.
Do you have as a standard go-to?
#2
Posted 07 December 2015 - 07:51 AM
I do not. I've tried all sorts of things.
#3
Posted 07 December 2015 - 07:56 AM
Like Morty I have tried all sorts but over the last couple of years I seem to focus on one malt bill for my hoppy beers and experiment with hops. The malt bill still gets tweaked from time to time, I will replace a portion of Pils with MO or Vienna or something along those lines but for the most part I know what the malt bill does and leave that as it is build my hops around it.
#4
Posted 07 December 2015 - 08:00 AM
#5
Posted 07 December 2015 - 02:27 PM
19# two row / pale ale malt
2# c60
Mash 151-155
Hop accordingly.
12 gallons OG 1.048-50
I'll use crystal anywhere from Carahell Lovibond 8 up to C90.
Always finishes at 1.010-12 using 1056/001/US05/1272/1968/002
#6
Posted 07 December 2015 - 02:40 PM
#7
Posted 07 December 2015 - 03:20 PM
Edited by neddles, 07 December 2015 - 03:22 PM.
#8
Posted 07 December 2015 - 03:29 PM
some pales/IPAs I go for really pale like drez typically does. others I go for darker/sweeter/maltier with pale ale malt, munich and greater amounts of crystal malts. depends on the beer.
#9
Posted 07 December 2015 - 05:28 PM
I haven't brewed a typical pale ale (in the 5-6% range) for a long time. For my IPAs I basically just do 25-30 lbs. of pale malt (my efficiency isn't great) and 1 lb crystal 20 for a 10 gallon batch. I don't like a lot of crystal malt complicating my pales. The crystal 20 adds a little bit of residual sweetness and body without adding too much malt character.
#10
Posted 07 December 2015 - 06:13 PM
It looks like I make a lot with ~5# of Pale Ale Malt, 5 oz of Amber, Victory, Aromatic or Biscuit and 2 oz of Carastan, Caramunich or Caraaroma. Sometimes I swap in 1 # of Mild or Munich Malt. Mash at 148-150 F & 158-162 F, No Sparge. Hop at 60 and steep with anything tasty. No Simcoe, ever. Sometimes throw in a 5' hop. 3.25 gal. 1.042-1.048 down to 1.008-1.010. 30-35 IBU.
#11
Posted 08 December 2015 - 06:18 AM
#12
Posted 08 December 2015 - 06:56 AM
It looks like I make a lot with ~5# of Pale Ale Malt, 5 oz of Amber, Victory, Aromatic or Biscuit and 2 oz of Carastan, Caramunich or Caraaroma. Sometimes I swap in 1 # of Mild or Munich Malt. Mash at 148-150 F & 158-162 F, No Sparge. Hop at 60 and steep with anything tasty. No Simcoe, ever. Sometimes throw in a 5' hop. 3.25 gal. 1.042-1.048 down to 1.008-1.010. 30-35 IBU.
that's quite a bit of victory by %. you don't find it to be overpowering?
#13
Posted 08 December 2015 - 07:25 AM
that's quite a bit of victory by %. you don't find it to be overpowering?
Just needs more Simcoe!
#14
Posted 08 December 2015 - 09:01 AM
8% cararuby
#15
Posted 08 December 2015 - 09:13 AM
Never even heard of Cararuby before. From the description it is not what I would put in my version of an APA, personal preference, but I would not mind playing with that in a few other beers, sounds interesting.
#16
Posted 08 December 2015 - 12:48 PM
Denny seems to have an affinity for the Chateau malts. Very few of their malts are readily available at my usual online retailers.
#17
Posted 08 December 2015 - 01:36 PM
that's quite a bit of victory by %. you don't find it to be overpowering?
I think it might be if I used more Crystal Malt, but it adds a nutty character reminiscent of many British Pale Ales, that I like sometimes.
It's the equivalent of 8 oz in 5 gallons, which is probably about 4-5% for a lot of brewers. I think of character malts in terms of quantity, not percentage. Still, that is probably the top end, for me. Sometimes I might halve any of those malts, or leave them out entirely, but 4-5 oz seems to be my default. It depends on what I think I'm going to want in a couple weeks. Most often I switch between them depending on how subtle I want the contribution.
Just needs more Simcoe!
I couldn't find the "throwing something onto the compost pile" emoji, so picture that here.
Never even heard of Cararuby before. From the description it is not what I would put in my version of an APA, personal preference, but I would not mind playing with that in a few other beers, sounds interesting.
Maybe you're familiar with it from when it used to be called CaraVienne.
#18
Posted 08 December 2015 - 01:39 PM
Maybe you're familiar with it from when it used to be called CaraVienne.
Is it really the same? I use a lot of Caravienne but I do not get out of it the tastes that I see listed for CaraRuby. Oh well, I take me statement back then if they are the same
#19
Posted 08 December 2015 - 01:51 PM
Is it really the same? I use a lot of Caravienne but I do not get out of it the tastes that I see listed for CaraRuby. Oh well, I take me statement back then if they are the same
It looks like I remembered it wrong. It was called Caramel Vienna. It does look like a few places are selling this and Belgian CaraVienna as interchangeable.
#20
Posted 08 December 2015 - 01:59 PM
I think it might be if I used more Crystal Malt, but it adds a nutty character reminiscent of many British Pale Ales, that I like sometimes.
It's the equivalent of 8 oz in 5 gallons, which is probably about 4-5% for a lot of brewers. I think of character malts in terms of quantity, not percentage. Still, that is probably the top end, for me. Sometimes I might halve any of those malts, or leave them out entirely, but 4-5 oz seems to be my default. It depends on what I think I'm going to want in a couple weeks. Most often I switch between them depending on how subtle I want the contribution.
I think in 5 gallons I'd be more in the 2-3 oz range. I once used closer to 8 oz and damn it was a lot. too much of it kind of blew everything else out of the water. I do like it in moderation though - adds a nice complexity.
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